From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D7954D3 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ob0-f172.google.com (mail-ob0-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 075C61CA for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so57284119obb.2 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:08:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=y/ZTfDYRTKYQOsegc8Xxiyf/PFodSj7EzxgrD1WTI8g=; b=mWdHAvEsOdIxK58ikug/6r0tuuboe9n5Od4HkhYRs/ANcXof0+YJqH04ANj4cUHMKq tvYSNFKs3tACQGRrnQbKrpQzvZtTZNp1/HIner/FW3dSyF9a2SxJ49tU7yGkNy37xx0Z xBVEEeRsI+scerLi5LeWdrwn4L4LQsUrgJq9kCqRC9rf/9wUIPlvcuee/cPx2aAsar+6 44uxxqDVCV7sdzjR6ksU83/lUJ8rzAvSjrmisY21FJ9Qh5PJ95c1JDztTOE8ETj1CrLz 2rKQOuA0FBpwB+MsJW26iqxUNlTfNzLY2PhxsTTC+HE3Xuj8c00FjK+Ls5a19ugn5pgd /Vwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.94.140 with SMTP id dc12mr36309851obb.87.1439543326276; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.95.70 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Aug 2015 02:08:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 17:08:46 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: Mark Friedenbach Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8fb1f32a9a009b051d41cc05 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] CFP Bitcoin Scalability Workshop (Sept 12-13), Montreal Canada X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 09:08:48 -0000 --e89a8fb1f32a9a009b051d41cc05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Mark, Thank you for your email. Registration was opened on Wednesday as planned and we list some initial background papers here: https://scalingbitcoin.org/papers/ To encourage early submissions to help with planning, review and circulation, we will accept on a rolling basis, expressions of interest and proposals surrounding Bitcoin scalability *until 00.00 UTC Sept 1st 2015*. Please email them to proposals@scalingbitcoin.org I very much looking forward to meeting you and to the technical discussions in Montreal next month! Please feel free to also follow us on Twitter @ScalingBitcoin Yours sincerely, Pindar Wong Chair, Montreal Workshop Planning Committee Chairman, VeriFi (Hong Kong) Ltd. On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Mark Friedenbach wrote: > I want to put a big thank-you out to Pindar, Warren, and others in the > organizing committee who I know must have put in a lot of hours to make > this happen. I will be attending, and I hope to see many of you there too= . > It is my sincere hope that the academic structure of a workshop will help > break down some of the communication walls that have arisen in this debat= e, > and help us all work towards finding a compromise towards scaling bitcoin= , > something we all want to see happen. > > On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Pindar Wong via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Bitcoin Scalability Workshops >> >> In recent months the Bitcoin development community has faced difficult >> discussions of how to safely improve the scalability and decentralized >> nature of the Bitcoin network. To aid the technical consensus building >> process we are organizing a pair of workshops to collect technical >> criteria, present proposals and evaluate technical materials and data wi= th >> academic discipline and analysis that fully considers the complex tradeo= ffs >> between decentralization, utility, security and operational realities. T= his >> may be considered as similar in intent and process to the NIST-SHA3 desi= gn >> process where performance and security were in a tradeoff for a security >> critical application. >> >> Since Bitcoin is a P2P currency with many stakeholders, it is important >> to collect requirements as broadly as possible, and through the process >> enhance everyone=E2=80=99s understanding of the technical properties of = Bitcoin to >> help foster an inclusive, transparent, and informed process. >> >> Those with technical interest are invited to participate in this pair of >> workshops with the following intent: >> >> Phase 1: Scene setting, evaluation criteria, and tradeoff analysis. >> >> Montreal, Canada: September 12th-13th, 2015 >> >> Scalability is not a single parameter; there are many opportunities to >> make the Bitcoin protocol more efficient and better able to service the >> needs of its growing userbase. Each approach to further scaling the Bitc= oin >> blockchain involves implicit trade offs of desired properties of the who= le >> system. As a community we need to raise awareness of the complex and sub= tle >> issues involved, facilitate deeper research and testing of existing >> proposals, and motivate future work in this area. >> >> The purpose of this workshop is to discuss the general tradeoffs and >> requirements of any proposal to scale Bitcoin beyond its present limits. >> Session topics are to include the presentation of experimental data >> relating to known bottlenecks of Bitcoin=E2=80=99s continued growth and = analysis of >> implicit tradeoffs involved in general strategies for enabling future >> growth. >> >> This event will not host sessions on the topic of any specific proposals >> involving changes to the Bitcoin protocol. Such proposals would be the >> topic of a 2nd, follow-on Phase 2 workshop described below; this event i= s >> intended to =E2=80=9Cset the stage=E2=80=9D for work on and evaluation o= f specific >> proposals in the time between the workshops. >> >> Phase 2 will be planned out further as part of Phase 1 with input from >> the participants. >> >> Phase 2: Presentation and review of technical proposals, with simulation= , >> benchmark results. >> >> Hong Kong, SAR, China: TBD Nov/Dec 2015 >> >> Hopefully to be easier for the Chinese miners to attend, the second >> workshop pertaining to actual block size proposals is to be planned for >> Hong Kong roughly in the late November to December timeframe. >> >> The purpose of this workshop is to present and review actual proposals >> for scaling Bitcoin against the requirements gathered in Phase 1. Multip= le >> competing proposals will be presented, with experimental data, and compa= red >> against each other. The goal is to raise awareness of scalability issues >> and build a pathway toward consensus for increasing Bitcoin=E2=80=99s tr= ansaction >> processing capacity or, barring that, identify key areas of further >> required research and next steps for moving forward. >> >> Preliminarily, Phase 2 will be a time to share results from experiments >> performed as a result of Phase 1 and an opportunity to discuss new >> developments. >> >> How do the Workshops work? >> >> - >> >> Both events will be live-streamed with remote participation >> facilitated via IRC for parallel online discussion and passing questi= ons to >> the event. >> - >> >> These workshops aim to facilitate the existing Bitcoin Improvement >> Proposals (BIP)[1] process. Most work will be done outside of the wor= kshops >> in the intervening months. The workshops serve to be additive to the = design >> and review process by raising awareness of diverse points of view, st= udies, >> simulations, and proposals. >> - >> >> Travel, venue details, and accommodation recommendation are available >> at scalingbitcoin.org. Registration begins August 12th at an >> early-bird ticket price of $150 USD until September 3rd. The ticket p= rices >> do not come close to covering the venue expense and travel subsidies,= hence >> the need for corporate sponsors. >> - >> >> Please see the FAQ at scalingbitcoin.org which should answer most >> other questions. >> >> >> Travel Subsidies for Independent/Academic Researchers >> >> There will be an application process for independent or academic >> researchers to apply for travel assistance to help cover the expense of >> airfare and hotel fees up to $1,000 per qualified presenter who intends = to >> give a presentation. The four underwriters of this event have agreed to >> jointly review applications and cover the travel subsidies for qualified >> presenters. See scalingbitcoin.org for details. >> >> Sponsors of the Montreal Workshop >> >> The first workshop is hosted and with logistics handled by the Montreal >> consultancy CryptoMechanics . >> >> The Underwriters jointly responsible for venue expenses and researcher >> travel subsidies are currently the MIT Digital Currency Initiative, >> Chaincode Labs, Blockstream, and Chain.com. >> >> Current sponsors include: Cryptsy, BitcoinTalk, Final Hash, Blockstream, >> MIT DCI, Chaincode Labs, IDEO Futures, Kraken, and Chain.com. >> >> Additional sponsors are needed. Please see scalingbitcoin.org for >> sponsorship details or contact me directly via < pindar dot wong at >> gmail.com > >> >> Online Workshop Resources >> >> - >> >> Bitcoin-Workshops-Announce list >> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-workshops-= announce >> - >> >> Bitcoin-Workshops discussion list >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-workshops >> - >> >> #bitcoin-workshops chat on the Freenode IRC network >> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=3Dbitcoin-workshops >> >> >> Call for Proposals/Papers/Presentations >> >> If you have any research relevant to issues surrounding Bitcoin >> scalability, your proposal for a presentation at the Montreal workshop >> would be most welcome. Please see scalingbitcoin.org for submission >> details. >> >> Pindar Wong >> >> Chair, Montreal Workshop Planning Committee >> >> Chairman, VeriFi (Hong Kong) Ltd. >> >> [1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Improvement_Proposals >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > --e89a8fb1f32a9a009b051d41cc05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Mark,

Thank yo= u for your email.

Registration was o= pened on Wednesday as planned and we list some initial background papers he= re:=C2=A0 = https://scalingbitcoin.org/papers/

To encourage early submission= s to help with planning, review and circulation, we will accept on a rollin= g basis, expressions of interest and proposals surrounding Bitcoin scalabil= ity until 00.00 UTC Sept 1st 2015.

Please email = them to p= roposals@scalingbitcoin.org

I very much looking forward to meet= ing you and to the technical discussions in Montreal next month!

Ple= ase feel free to also follow us on Twitter @ScalingBitcoin

Yours sincerely,

Pindar Wong

Chair, Montreal Workshop Planning Committee<= /span>

Chai= rman, VeriFi (Hong Kong) Ltd.





<= /div>


On Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 3:13 AM, Mark Friedenbach <= ;mark@friedenbach= .org> wrote:
I want to put a big thank-you out to Pindar, Warren, and others in = the organizing committee who I know must have put in a lot of hours to make= this happen. I will be attending, and I hope to see many of you there too.= It is my sincere hope that the academic structure of a workshop will help = break down some of the communication walls that have arisen in this debate,= and help us all work towards finding a compromise towards scaling bitcoin,= something we all want to see happen.

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015= at 1:45 AM, Pindar Wong via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@= lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Bitcoin Scalability Workshops<= /font>

In recent mont= hs the Bitcoin development community has faced difficult discussions of how= to safely improve the scalability and decentralized nature of the Bitcoin = network. To aid the technical consensus building process we are organizing = a pair of workshops to collect technical criteria, present proposals and ev= aluate technical materials and data with academic discipline and analysis t= hat fully considers the complex tradeoffs between decentralization, utility= , security and operational realities. This may be considered as similar in = intent and process to the NIST-SHA3 design process where performance and se= curity were in a tradeoff for a security critical application.


Since Bitcoin is a P2P currency with many stakeholders, it is impo= rtant to collect requirements as broadly as possible, and through the proce= ss enhance everyone=E2=80=99s understanding of the technical properties of = Bitcoin to help foster an inclusive, transparent, and informed process.


Those with technical interest are invited to participa= te in this pair of workshops with the following intent:


Phase 1: Scene setting, evaluation criteria, and tradeoff analysi= s. =C2=A0

Montreal, Canada: Septemb= er 12th-13th, 2015

Scalabil= ity is not a single parameter; there are many opportunities to make the Bit= coin protocol more efficient and better able to service the needs of its gr= owing userbase. Each approach to further scaling the Bitcoin blockchain inv= olves implicit trade offs of desired properties of the whole system. As a c= ommunity we need to raise awareness of the complex and subtle issues involv= ed, facilitate deeper research and testing of existing proposals, and motiv= ate future work in this area.


=

= The purpose of this w= orkshop is to discuss the general tradeoffs and requirements of any proposal to scale Bitcoin beyond its present limits. Session topics a= re to include the presentation of experimental data relating to known bottl= enecks of Bitcoin=E2=80=99s continued growth and analysis of implicit trade= offs involved in general strategies for enabling future growth.


This event will not host sessions on the topic of any specific= proposals involving changes to the Bitcoin protocol. Such proposals would = be the topic of a 2nd, follow-on Phase 2 workshop described below; this eve= nt is intended to =E2=80=9Cset the stage=E2=80=9D for work on and evaluatio= n of specific proposals in the time between the workshops.

Phase 2 will be planned out further as part of Phase 1 with input = from the participants.


Phase 2: Presentation = and review of technical proposals, with simulation, benchmark results. =C2=A0

Hong Kong, SAR, China: TBD Nov/= Dec 2015

Hopefully to be easier for the Chinese miners to attend, the second wo= rkshop pertaining to actual block size proposals is to be planned for Hong = Kong roughly in the late November to December timeframe.

<= font size=3D"2">

The purpose of this workshop is to present and review actual proposal= s for scaling Bitcoin against the requirements gathered in Phase 1. Multipl= e competing proposals will be presented, with experimental data, and compar= ed against each other. The goal is to raise awareness of scalability issues= and build a pathway toward consensus for increasing Bitcoin=E2=80=99s tran= saction processing capacity or, barring that, identify key areas of further= required research and next steps for moving forward.


Preliminarily, Phase 2 will be a time to share results from experiments = performed as a result of Phase 1 and an opportunity to discuss new developm= ents.


How do the Workshops work?=

  • Both events will be live-streamed with remote partic= ipation facilitated via IRC for parallel online discussion and passing ques= tions to the event.

  • These workshops aim to facilitate the existing Bitcoin Improv= ement Proposals (BIP)[1] process. Most work will be done outside of the wor= kshops in the intervening months. The workshops serve to be additive to the= design and review process by raising awareness of diverse points of view, = studies, simulations, and proposals.

  • Travel, venue details, and accommodation rec= ommendation are available at scalingbitcoin.org. Registration begins August 12th at an early-bird ticket price of $150 = USD until September 3rd. The ticket prices do not come close to covering th= e venue expense and travel subsidies, hence the need for corporate sponsors= .

  • Plea= se see the FAQ at scalingbitcoin.org which s= hould answer most other questions.


T= ravel Subsidies for Independent/Academic Researchers

There will be an applicati= on process for independent or academic researchers to apply for travel assi= stance to help cover the expense of airfare and hotel fees up to $1,000 per= qualified presenter who intends to give a presentation.=C2=A0 The four und= erwriters of this event have agreed to jointly review applications and cove= r the travel subsidies for qualified presenters. See scalingbitcoin.org for details.


Sponsors of the Montreal Workshop

The first workshop is hosted and with logistics h= andled by the Montreal consultancy CryptoMechanics.


The Underwriters jointly responsible for venue ex= penses and researcher travel subsidies are currently the MIT Digital Curren= cy Initiative, Chaincode Labs, Blockstream, and Chain.com.

= Current sponsors include: Cryptsy, BitcoinTalk, Final Hash, Blockstream, MI= T DCI, Chaincode Labs, IDEO Futures, Kraken, and Chain.com.

Additional sponsors are needed. Please see scalingbitcoin.org for sponsorship details or contact me directly via < pindar d= ot wong at gmail.com >= ;


Online Workshop Resources


=

Call for Proposal= s/Papers/Presentations

If you have any research relevant to issues surrounding Bitcoin = scalability, your proposal for a presentation at the Montreal workshop woul= d be most welcome.=C2=A0 Please see scalingbitcoin.org for submission details.


Pindar Wong

Chair, Montreal = Workshop Planning Committee

Chairman, VeriFi (Hong Kong) Ltd.
[1] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bi= tcoin_Improvement_Proposals


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bitcoin-dev mailing list
= bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mail= man/listinfo/bitcoin-dev



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