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From: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>
To: Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 06:13:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM7BtUqx6Ku+ozzPhk4jh2CPmA=XcuudWqCxF82qciFiwM_h5A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <BAY403-EAS416EB557ABDDCA6FE2FCC7FC2B60@phx.gbl>

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It would be helpful to hear from the other miners, and perhaps arrange some
testing and telemetry in China with 8 ...  that's even a Chinese lucky
number ;)

p.


On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:32 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com> wrote:

>  Ah sorry, I just thought you were saying doesn't matter which side let
> 'em burn.
>
> If I were the Chinese and people moved to 20mb MAX size blocks and said
> stuff you, I'd just start firing out small coinbase only blocks now, if
> they truly have >50% hashing power and they collaborate chances are they
> can build a longer chain of just coinbase for themselves then the rest of
> the network doing big blocks. They don't even have to propagate this chain
> to you in a hurry right? And then they never have to receive a 20mb block
> from you because they have a longer chain without 20mb blocks and always
> ahead of your big blocks. As long as it is the longest chain it is
> Authority so let you guys transact your coinbase from the blocks you create
> etc. then whamo along come the chinese and supply a longer chain of just
> coinbase only blocks which invalidates all your previous transactions and
> gives them all the coinbase they stamped, while invalidating yours.
>
> But who cares about them right :p
>  ------------------------------
> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎2/‎06/‎2015 4:19 AM
> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
>
>  By reversing Mike's language to the reality of the situation I had hoped
> people would realize how abjectly ignorant and insensitive his statement
> was.  I am sorry to those in the community if they misunderstood my post. I
> thought it was obvious that it was sarcasm where I do not seriously believe
> particular participants should be excluded.
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 3:06 AM, Thy Shizzle <thyshizzle@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>  Doesn't mean you should build something that says "fuck you" to the
> companies that have invested in farms of ASICS. To say "Oh yea if they
> can't mine it how we want stuff 'em" is naive. I get decentralisation, but
> don't dis incentivise mining. If miners are telling you that you're going
> to hurt them, esp. Miners that combined hold > 50% hashing power, why would
> you say too bad so sad? Why not just start stripping bitcoin out of
> adopters wallets? Same thing.
>  ------------------------------
> From: Warren Togami Jr. <wtogami@gmail.com>
> Sent: ‎1/‎06/‎2015 10:30 PM
> Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements
>
>    Whilst it would be nice if miners in *outside* China can carry on
> forever regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent
> "right" to mine if they can't do the job - if miners in *outside* China
> can't get the trivial amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall *TO
> THE MAJORITY OF THE HASHRATE* and end up being outcompeted then OK, too
> bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 12:13 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:
>
>  Whilst it would be nice if miners in China can carry on forever
> regardless of their internet situation, nobody has any inherent "right" to
> mine if they can't do the job - if miners in China can't get the trivial
> amounts of bandwidth required through their firewall and end up being
> outcompeted then OK, too bad, we'll have to carry on without them.
>
>  But I'm not sure why it should be a big deal. They can always run a node
> on a server in Taiwan and connect the hardware to it via a VPN or so.
>
>
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2015-06-01 22:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-01 21:32 [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: Block Size Increase Requirements Thy Shizzle
2015-06-01 22:13 ` Pindar Wong [this message]
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2015-06-01 13:06 Thy Shizzle
2015-06-01 18:19 ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-06-01 18:30   ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-01 18:44     ` Adam Back
2015-06-01 19:23   ` Btc Drak
2015-06-01 11:12 Thy Shizzle
2015-05-07 22:02 [Bitcoin-development] " Matt Corallo
2015-05-29 23:42 ` Chun Wang
2015-05-30 13:57   ` Gavin Andresen
     [not found]     ` <CAFzgq-z5WCznGhbOexS0XESNGAVauw45ewEV-1eMij7yDT61=Q@mail.gmail.com>
2015-05-31  1:31       ` [Bitcoin-development] Fwd: " Chun Wang
2015-05-31  2:20         ` Pindar Wong
2015-05-31 12:40         ` Gavin Andresen
2015-05-31 13:45           ` Alex Mizrahi
2015-05-31 14:54             ` Gavin Andresen
2015-05-31 22:55               ` Alex Mizrahi
2015-05-31 23:23                 ` Ricardo Filipe
2015-05-31 23:40                   ` Pindar Wong
2015-05-31 23:58                     ` Ricardo Filipe
2015-06-01  0:03                       ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-01  7:57                   ` Alex Mizrahi
2015-06-01 10:13                     ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-01 10:42                       ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-01 11:26                         ` Peter Todd
2015-06-01 12:19                           ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-01 11:02                       ` Chun Wang
2015-06-01 11:09                         ` Pindar Wong
2015-06-01 11:20                         ` Chun Wang
2015-06-01 13:59                           ` Gavin Andresen
2015-06-01 14:08                             ` Chun Wang
2015-06-01 15:33                               ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-01 16:06                                 ` Ángel José Riesgo
2015-06-01 14:46                             ` Oliver Egginger
2015-06-01 14:48                               ` Chun Wang
2015-06-01 16:43                             ` Yifu Guo
2015-06-01 20:01                             ` Roy Badami
2015-06-01 20:15                               ` Roy Badami
2015-06-01 13:21                         ` Mike Hearn
2015-06-01 12:29                       ` Warren Togami Jr.
2015-06-01 13:15                 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-05-31 12:52         ` Gavin Andresen
2015-05-31 14:17           ` Dave Hudson
2015-05-31 14:34         ` Yifu Guo
2015-05-31 14:47           ` Gavin Andresen

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