From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z17ls-00068g-EG for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 06:39:56 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.176; envelope-from=pindar.wong@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f176.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com ([209.85.212.176]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z17lq-0000ih-Kj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Sat, 06 Jun 2015 06:39:56 +0000 Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so37544096wib.1 for ; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 23:39:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.206.229 with SMTP id lr5mr3303778wic.86.1433572788561; Fri, 05 Jun 2015 23:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.156.226 with HTTP; Fri, 5 Jun 2015 23:39:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <556CDB09.8050906@henricson.se> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2015 14:39:48 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: gabe appleton Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c38a22d26adc0517d3acc3 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. 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On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton wrote: > Please use the one it's originally forked from that Ethan made. I don't > want to be the one who sorts through what's valid and what isn't, as I > don't have as low-level an understanding as I'd like. I don't feel > qualified. > On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, "Pindar Wong" wrote: > >> Thanks Gabe. >> >> https://github.com/gappleto97/BlockSizeDebate >> >> github's reachable via vpn. >> >> p. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton >> wrote: >> >>> Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don't have to bother with the >>> exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It's linked in this email chain. >>> >>> I'll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to start back up on >>> this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin so we can get >>> some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few leads to chase. >>> On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, "Pindar Wong" wrote: >>> >>>> Gabe, >>>> >>>> Did you ever get an answer to this? >>>> >>>> I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help with some work on this >>>> and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm not sure I understand the >>>> nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of things (or not) etc. >>>> >>>> I would have thought that there would be a testnet4 by now using 8mb >>>> blocks... but hey that's just me. >>>> >>>> p. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't have permission to create a page. If someone else does, I'll >>>>> happily get a framework started. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I second this, I don't have time to read the large number of emails >>>>>> generated every day from the block size debate. A summary of the various >>>>>> positions and arguments would be extremely helpful. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way we >>>>>>> could condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing to >>>>>>> assist if the page gets approval. >>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson" wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate >>>>>>>> drives me nuts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will >>>>>>>> take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other >>>>>>>> smarter people have said over and over before, you're >>>>>>>> wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is >>>>>>>> just destructive. If you want no change, then say so. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mats >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Bitcoin-development mailing list >>>>> Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net >>>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> --001a11c38a22d26adc0517d3acc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
it is.

p.

On Sat= , Jun 6, 2015 at 2:37 PM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> wrote:

Please use th= e one it's originally forked from that Ethan made. I don't want to = be the one who sorts through what's valid and what isn't, as I don&= #39;t have as low-level an understanding as I'd like. I don't feel = qualified.

On Jun 6, 2015 2:34 AM, "Pindar Wong" = <pindar.wong@= gmail.com> wrote:
github's reachable via vpn.
p.


On Sat, Jun 6, 2015 at 2:28 PM, gabe appleton &= lt;gappleto97@gma= il.com> wrote:

Yeah. We made a git repo instead, so we don't have to bother with th= e exclusive-by-default wiki policies. It's linked in this email chain. =

I'll be getting home tomorrow, so I should be able to st= art back up on this. A few days from now we should throw this on /r/Bitcoin= so we can get some more public comment on it. They already gave me a few l= eads to chase.

On Jun 5, 2015 11:34 PM, "Pindar Wong"= <pindar.wong= @gmail.com> wrote:
Gabe,

Did you ever get an ans= wer to this?

I"ll have some time tomorrow to be able to help wi= th some work on this and will need to do it myself anyways since I'm no= t sure I understand the nuances, where bitcoin XT fits into the scheme of t= hings (or not) etc.

I would have thought that there would= be a testnet4 by now using 8mb blocks... but hey that's just me.
<= br>
p.




<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 11:52 AM, gabe appleton <gappleto97@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have permission to create a page. If some= one else does, I'll happily get a framework started.

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 = at 11:32 PM, Ethan Heilman <eth3rs@gmail.com> wrote:
I second this, I don't have = time to read the large number of emails generated every day from the block = size debate. A summary of the various positions and arguments would be extr= emely helpful.=C2=A0

On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 11:02 PM, gabe appleton <gapp= leto97@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, can we try to get a wiki page for the debate? That way w= e could condense the information as much as possible. I'll be willing t= o assist if the page gets approval.

On Jun 1, 2015 6:41 PM, "Mats Henricson&quo= t; <mats@henricso= n.se> wrote:
= Hi!

My fingers have been itching many times now, this debate
drives me nuts.

I just wish all posters could follow two simple principles:

1. Read up. Yes. All of what has been written. Yes, it will
=C2=A0 =C2=A0take many hours. But if you're rehashing what other
=C2=A0 =C2=A0smarter people have said over and over before, you're
=C2=A0 =C2=A0wasting hundreds of peoples time. Please don't.

2. Be helpful. Suggest alternatives. Just cristizising is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0just destructive. If you want no change, then say so.

Mats

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