From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2529FC0037 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 17:14:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC5A4168B for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 17:14:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org EDC5A4168B Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=DBHZsiic X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MbIpYkXYpiSE for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 17:14:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com (mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::c2f]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AEDB841681 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 17:14:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org AEDB841681 Received: by mail-oo1-xc2f.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-595d24ad466so1684064eaf.0 for ; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:14:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1705857264; x=1706462064; darn=lists.linuxfoundation.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=RWCssP2Q+jadCiTE0SSAwaS7bYNoOcX+MdvKHnVaRRQ=; b=DBHZsiicZbTFMYUyte78/wDliObLPwpqICXQUb9gIlGzEyrQQfuE7gjsNMHe5+exvU kghqpiPIoVNTLu3DdLXKPFvdi9ltPh49lVpRFYWk+wTHigq4QbRA3MjUCABhVwsApx/E /X5NrdUCh94xJt9R71v9iGt/jQmlYqkR9ZNCsECffgNAWu3SERG7Ihr5+dFgkb3DHYI4 cwXSG5CYu4dHMH3fV9nx31gQK+QphXSCSJg8hwB0WKxBNPA0aiMjWTZrAuYFFI99Hvr/ 9qi4atp33x/6Kta5t4pmiZEDcUi5zWpNMM4sjzOuP50ogKrlLC4vLK/OXX8OeZaCaj33 HJXA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1705857264; x=1706462064; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=RWCssP2Q+jadCiTE0SSAwaS7bYNoOcX+MdvKHnVaRRQ=; b=pjLk12N4Z9ZiTrWMLctt0wdx4SxMsbe0dxp/Vx0uNNU6xxe1rtVYN4NL0ZUE6pRfLR IUuXN2TReG6jTuJ8n9X3vzrB1Zpkt8Cu+5isj5itMVPxo8hbOcpIp3/aXmImwB6aa/5e 3N7rDX6Lz7ALZxBWyqVz5dDXQ07n8IWTpkFSisEGn0zY4RPVOt2hvTsEdHczp1quGXMb Y/5aoDyWtKqKicHDq5x3X4GMs09VRfIOs6nKrQMJVHTJzbqXv8v7s7XnBQVx4gRR6xum 3d7xbgO2zKSbZLC1PdleYV1596z/Bm44pyHyA2LVcf8sqOA9zkMU2P1oRzD9xYjsZFfR tXEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzLRAYcNI3rx0ep3eWsXA+gKPfFVpE3E3Ib5/f5IuldLw0rff5s wyt6wwGOXzIAMa/ed4IqL2oQ2eFbStkpgkmtPQ95ZlzcO+j/J8iGVyzhth54FKHyngznrTAxmKh S46uCRPnx2AimfwPul/YZ0QeHWEQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGhYjFod9Qk2hsi7XByfdEpvfIN9xSPa9WbwO+E+U+hQfArgrzsArEvSaabdtGxeGOVuftu4/dqKCw/DGr4kBs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6359:101b:b0:176:4b8b:6ba7 with SMTP id ib27-20020a056359101b00b001764b8b6ba7mr1275248rwb.9.1705857264413; Sun, 21 Jan 2024 09:14:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Tonoski Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 18:14:14 +0100 Message-ID: To: Nagaev Boris Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Jan 2024 13:46:37 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [BUG]: Bitcoin blockspace price discrimination put simple transactions at disadvantage X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Jan 2024 17:14:27 -0000 On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 12:30=E2=80=AFAM Nagaev Boris w= rote: > > Node operators are likely to put UTXO set to SSD and blocks to HDD. > SSD is more expensive than HDD. Again, the UTXO set size argument is irrelevant. A simple transaction is at disadvantage even if it doesn't result in a change of UTXO set size. > It is aligned with the fact that > people putting data into blockchain are financially motivated to put > it into witness data, i.e. into HDD. If miners charge the same per 1 > byte in a transaction output and 1 byte in witness, then people > putting data into blockchain could put it into transaction outputs > (why not, if the price is the same), (...) By the same token, "people putting data into blockchain are financially" demotivated to put them into non-witness data (e.g. outputs) - which make vast majority of a simple, genuine transaction. As a result "blockchain" changes its nature and becomes full of bloated witness data (e.g. a JPEG in a single transaction in a "pathological" 4MB block) instead of simple, genuine transactions. > inflating the UTXO set (...). UTXO set inflates naturally as there are more and more participants. Besides, blockspace price discrimination didn't stop it. Again, the UTXO set size argument is irrelevant to the subject.