From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0606071 for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:54:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f48.google.com (mail-vk0-f48.google.com [209.85.213.48]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 805227D for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 21:54:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 192so146082516vkl.2 for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:54:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blockstream-io.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=inkkRVsQCn804kHBCF4iYxnro0IfCgJYIQaZeJkI46k=; b=CyEOhsNYRdfQUmie3PthxEmIC5a6s+/0I7VT5DkE3cjsdnl3B57DdLytjszwv7JjDs t67EuS8vVerRJx9FqMe3Zj9ljrAHi26GZX4OQsdYiSDDz66gNJ5a6ZjDoc0B/HW8FyAq 2ev4MPVfny8oW4TnJjmGvMkUnprlkAFRWuFMEqBeCXRN28t8qI/StYo9SZ4hD+/CqWyF ibNaWdL5ijtNNXEbCxKSCVb2QsZ+fyx8850N/uq46eWBewMSv0QFmmKVsm1ISLcsvIYN BLNCl6GkhhPZGuo+tfvF95wCwF0ExGawdbN+Z9WNHAj5SR6hmiTcHSYlVPKSLB3udue3 eY+A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=inkkRVsQCn804kHBCF4iYxnro0IfCgJYIQaZeJkI46k=; b=X6g6EX+AeGim6zVv48AEgVGZwzVtACbTZxVzLfUNLup0H6FWB2xVRBrf/DlTm5kqkl 0l+IBpNco/4jYjWHOQNnFZd/LaUQesWqFplijMTVOun39CCRQCGhZfBCKx/b78V6GaUR DE2DnLzl3UGKKhh8JFDIPcDFtlQOkwvxkIgcr44zW3bQRi2eeBoKjxVZcaXHnrf1kdnR raaY7XWwOwFsjCYipXeQpIttUgAMZxEU2G36v6g9AV6isQUZtlGfWS/VDvWvONde2s60 g2oyin/vrQAzWT+qIHG+sZoqA9JuqBu32jdv5jCC0UVkx3yqki0uotqAxIY93UVH3pPj H6rw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlYMiT0PX/CvTPSxhmF6IJY87NuSYhCO2AryFAMf29K4t5BbPs9/KoHnd7cJaoJaUQmmHTW9x3wh0EESzJM X-Received: by 10.31.21.80 with SMTP id 77mr12217056vkv.111.1475445268676; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 14:54:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.3.102 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:54:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201610022128.52401.luke@dashjr.org> References: <20161002171137.GA18452@fedora-21-dvm> <201610022128.52401.luke@dashjr.org> From: "Russell O'Connor" Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:54:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Luke Dashjr , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114377b2201dd7053de8dfc8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 22:29:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Drivechain proposal using OP_COUNT_ACKS X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 21:54:30 -0000 --001a114377b2201dd7053de8dfc8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > I don't know if it's possible to implement decentralised sidechains without > "breaking" this rule. > I haven't really been following the sidechain developements, but my understanding was that redemption from a side chain would be two phase. The person unpegging the funds provides a proof that they have locked the funds on the side chain and are eligible to withdraw the funds, plus they put up a bounty. Then there is a time-locked period where others can collect the bounty by providing a fraud proof, that the locked funds given in the proof have actually been double spent. This two phase system doesn't violate this rule. --001a114377b2201dd7053de8dfc8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't know if it's possible to implement decentralised sid= echains without
"breaking" this rule.

I haven= 't really been following the sidechain developements, but my understand= ing was that redemption from a side chain would be two phase.=C2=A0 The per= son unpegging the funds provides a proof that they have locked the funds on= the side chain and are eligible to withdraw the funds, plus they put up a = bounty.=C2=A0 Then there is a time-locked period where others can collect t= he bounty by providing a fraud proof, that the locked funds given in the pr= oof have actually been double spent.=C2=A0 This two phase system doesn'= t violate this rule.
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