From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9DFCC002D for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 18:24:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B294052E for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 18:24:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=blockstream-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G1GsHO_QTGcI for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 18:24:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-qt1-x830.google.com (mail-qt1-x830.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::830]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 71EA44041C for ; Fri, 6 May 2022 18:24:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-x830.google.com with SMTP id hh4so6599498qtb.10 for ; Fri, 06 May 2022 11:24:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blockstream-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WcOBpL5MfTF8cZhh0THsBuV2KQAY1fhGPxohvMHQkhw=; b=cr8HlxJz11x0Zm0u5+Gz/rJwbDwTGCiueWcrsB4kRDWzQAYEYLT236L3H0+TnZaSMa B5EJwvBtAnW/jHr9uca3ufRX6TgpZWl47dq8h8kYVjLsZZfdyM8aE8/6Bn/9ORmiocli KSDkql036pxeRJaP1fc6q70xKUA0tIBMXhUcDxJ1cwW4Y6DMo2bSgi5xCVGjhIkCkhSK jfhxsQkqTddMLM+AUo3POCANGetXy6Wn1NCNNukXWTfI3M9TwEpNdqHKfgKS5af5I9cs YkGLb3wJVjCLW2ljQ2BFiMBy1R3BM3Tcl517+IPQMURA/b/B5gzfDulVHtD0nTsV9eUX yuOA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WcOBpL5MfTF8cZhh0THsBuV2KQAY1fhGPxohvMHQkhw=; b=sjZbiJb81fSlwX7H5llLwEmffXTjDwRfJpLPlD/Ah8mLX8R8jJO00zrcpKA1MyHvHr LHmVlGRQraWUPVlFBj0wsk65Bkv1X6ola3ZtAXzt9AiR9h9YZT1HutmS/TcuCLQuTDAv zJQ6a3yHFBUvytP8rEHiKNlPEzKeh9qhR1M1/wOTdPQUS5Zn34PNPwN+/IkRADw+8u01 EvfRQ437EXXo6uPi+WSl92FYJHcqOovi1iYUdki6ygG9Z0D+lvjGVykjnM8QheX8ovR5 wcY12/ui47Z+3YzN5MVn+i+dH05XTvTnaCyBmNNYsP3Wey8ABrRTR9etjHXF2Ypxf19r nlBQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KzWfytblwkYo9R2/XhnJYlKqQOqrnb3T3husfq1qZBPw31Zj5 BwAK71qjOTYdfx1sAtxoZDXVD9Gvx30mwy9RPJer6Z7p0mVGtg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyUzVAEg0xjlkztzpUqLZuAz3/S6RBw8S+QsKgnggBTj/xdbgfP2SzUkD73mXY/PwhT2os4jCFS2aYQ1b26T3I= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:7fcf:0:b0:2f3:6fdb:f21e with SMTP id b15-20020ac87fcf000000b002f36fdbf21emr4082140qtk.642.1651861444031; Fri, 06 May 2022 11:24:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Russell O'Connor" Date: Fri, 6 May 2022 14:23:51 -0400 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000970c3105de5bf6a0" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] What to do when contentious soft fork activations are attempted X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 May 2022 18:24:09 -0000 --000000000000970c3105de5bf6a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:01 PM Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > Russell O'Connor wrote the definitive explanation for how ST arose in >> the consensus process and how it was designed to make everyone >> unhappy. It's a great explanation of what we went through last year. >> >> https://r6.ca/blog/20210615T191422Z.html >> >> "On Building Consensus and Speedy Trial" >> >> on | 2021-06-15T19:14:22Z >> by | Russell O'Connor >> > > That's a lot of text, are you sure he said in there he designed speedy > trial to make everyone unhappy? > Well, if we're still talking about it, that proves that it failed at its > own design criterion of failing fast. > Quoting from https://r6.ca/blog/20210615T191422Z.html: > Speedy Trial=E2=80=99s design is not based on any sort of activation phil= osophy about failing fast. --000000000000970c3105de5bf6a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 2:01 PM Jorge Tim=C3=B3n via bitcoin-dev <= bitcoin-dev@lists.= linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Russell O'Connor wrote the definitive explanation for how ST arose in the consensus process and how it was designed to make everyone
unhappy.=C2=A0 It's a great explanation of what we went through last ye= ar.

=C2=A0 https://r6.ca/blog/20210615T191422Z.html

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 "On Building Consensus and Speedy Trial"

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 on | 2021-06-15T19:14:22Z
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 by | Russell O'Connor

That's a lot of text, are you sure he said in there he designed speedy= trial to make everyone unhappy?
Well, if we're still talking= about it, that proves that it failed at its own design criterion of failin= g fast.


> Speedy Trial=E2=80=99s de= sign is not based on any sort of activation philosophy about failing fast.= =C2=A0
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