From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C069C002B for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32A9D409A3 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 18:13:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 32A9D409A3 Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=blockstream-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.i=@blockstream-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20210112 header.b=SyB4tAZ7 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BIyJrpnFTTW5 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 18:13:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 0486A409A2 Received: from mail-pj1-x1034.google.com (mail-pj1-x1034.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1034]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0486A409A2 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 18:13:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-pj1-x1034.google.com with SMTP id ge21-20020a17090b0e1500b002308aac5b5eso3433411pjb.4 for ; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 10:13:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=blockstream-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Zij5HJvPw46mhaHRyd7kr40sfbimDxrhBd/25i0FrlQ=; b=SyB4tAZ7lSJJnHV8A5fhWW3AInp5Kp4kfXQJ6axnVsjbG8gx5Cg6hSrA5WB1PLciXz T8T4I53WNH3QrAlV1lm2U02VCQm1uK/PyQV9oitk+NmuhazbPcHvKCHGNs6/ki4qoVWK PwT3/TrwDIJIanC5pNTfMIpnzzTAht1mxIuKibG9TgKqJ8+oHqodf5uWO3m/JWzqJqUf yZBRPwGsxKDRjKrdMCXSh7qj/seU4wh62T8Ucm1v4scxDUiQ43l56ee/ZFJak7o+RclK RIH6Q/GaMoElaDXGrbmxOYIsrP3q8y9HTbBgiViLZCRncvRP6edd0n/QMDAut5QQc2eH I1sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Zij5HJvPw46mhaHRyd7kr40sfbimDxrhBd/25i0FrlQ=; b=C6UmTTp3Qc/oNn9TAsB6QZfYa3gQxfOrSXnSMECIsEh3ZSv7Xj4cBow1GOtLYjPi/I 2ARiAeKeZYkGv2ykVx34mJ6mopj93ejHvurR0m8mNjURzpJGH6sBC7akzmQTZZYzDW81 KWXkB6cUrys8dcP0tosGIW8yK4Gc/8lfonifxpUgslEQgdhuIK4nlcBRnSb3a8CYI+rf muT2VxXGtS2cjqtrTNXNkkH25XG2ROYdvadXzVk5NfiquDw6mmPZTrMDfbVy1Ptwg19j C72EUP5+11rlOqNs/SnovvP/Qf77B+te41Egpn/qj83J/Ya+OsezylBZY1nFhUoMAyOM KTzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXVFAgTP52J4GHJWUNTkxTIoxP/IhQF1zWoN9NhQQYE/u0+PzPd MMtOsNpGFWoWH+J2ZPxhDdvSCcUobSwN8KkyP1Axzc23JINR+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9j0WONdRzvEwnClZvtxXyn1VrqI3jFX2BSPWqmmZ7hL3/gCBOkzjkPWlEQ9bIs0mG3KzAtr0whTiFPXV95Y/Y= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:4541:b0:22c:7468:a4fe with SMTP id r1-20020a17090a454100b0022c7468a4femr2558257pjm.81.1675620782310; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 10:13:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <57f780b1-f262-9394-036c-70084320e9cf@peersm.com> <3d00aacb-585d-f875-784d-34352860d725@peersm.com> <230265ee-c3f8-dff3-9192-f0c8dc4d913c@peersm.com> <76718304-A8E3-46E6-B2F7-DE86831F15DF@petertodd.org> In-Reply-To: <76718304-A8E3-46E6-B2F7-DE86831F15DF@petertodd.org> From: "Russell O'Connor" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:12:52 -0500 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd , "Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008226b305f3f7dd94" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Debate: 64 bytes in OP_RETURN VS taproot OP_FALSE OP_IF OP_PUSH X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 18:13:05 -0000 --0000000000008226b305f3f7dd94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, wrote: > > > On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > >Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the script pubkey, > >there is a crossover point in data size where it will simply be cheaper to > >use witness data. Where that crossover point is depends on the finer > >details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could make some > >reasonable assumptions. Such a calculation could form the basis of a > >reasonable OP_RETURN proposal. I don't know if it would be persuasive, > but > >it would at least be coherent. > > I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to carefully > argue a specific limit. Let users decide for themselves how they want to > use OpReturn. > Even better. > --0000000000008226b305f3f7dd94 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat., Feb. 4, 2023, 21:01 Peter Todd, <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
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On February 5, 2023 1:11:35 AM GMT+01:00, Russell O'Connor via bitcoin-= dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wr= ote:
>Since bytes in the witness are cheaper than bytes in the script pubkey,=
>there is a crossover point in data size where it will simply be cheaper= to
>use witness data.=C2=A0 Where that crossover point is depends on the fi= ner
>details of the overhead of the two methods, but you could make some
>reasonable assumptions.=C2=A0 Such a calculation could form the basis o= f a
>reasonable OP_RETURN proposal.=C2=A0 I don't know if it would be pe= rsuasive, but
>it would at least be coherent.

I don't think it's worth the technical complexity trying to careful= ly argue a specific limit. Let users decide for themselves how they want to= use OpReturn.

Even better.
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