From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEEBC002D for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:28:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97F4E83E81 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:28:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M20fFkPzrUK6 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:28:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-ua1-f53.google.com (mail-ua1-f53.google.com [209.85.222.53]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58E0383E7B for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:28:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua1-f53.google.com with SMTP id 63so744775uaw.10 for ; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:28:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=m38VSy7FhfccwqLi36xJ+jPNBHG4yd8iXZiBNhPZHmk=; b=CJm8Zme9IqNpS/AcSR+v0qlMGVw8lX/DdzHTeVyQjhwXLJ+0iNpCmGDuK0ZqHlcCpZ y+xyh4GdbrrhSGzBorfolQ4I2SKaqbuWD5M/hYDfUggRKO5Vl1xSNpumt+IIR3VoXPIR sxIOKdjmxGYnWznKWDw5Qbpnt9vMv4enKkuuZYmgMmrad6GtYtcmUyDZiXIf8UpF3Oka RCyPEeChXzxn4DKlF1ycyRZ9wnBxfQ6YmLKAhLb1TTZvTTRY8We//6WvLShFVBisPXGN Gwzt9OTVOJd6ORDGP+0Nm66GweKTYcY+f2w7HBVcANYFvpXbro32EipFjD/Co2M/aBpH Bc5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530yJQqckmFm58px1QVmUPoiRXWvEgfNJKabe8gK6KhJ6iCKS4a4 gI+bGyzURouBFS5Dg6eta7rQ1F7VQ5wBxbCZopUJAg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJywr/D6XShDDZmd3wVm/IT/CyFnSR6n8Fevpq0ughsLZ4uyPUWoynL7cA/zBBzVs11Wp9QAano1pqo9tbuFIfY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6130:20f:b0:364:f48c:82 with SMTP id s15-20020a056130020f00b00364f48c0082mr1043182uac.56.1651073279189; Wed, 27 Apr 2022 08:27:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ryan Grant Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:27:23 +0000 Message-ID: To: Keagan McClelland , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Towards a means of measuring user support for Soft Forks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 15:28:01 -0000 We had a UTXO proof-of-stake website at some point during the blocksize wars. A few people signed with a few thousand bitcoins, but it was clear that most were not participating. I don't have a link. Another old discussion link: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2013-June/002731.html Erik Aronesty listed good issues, a few minutes ago. Other issues: - you're feeding the Chainalysis beasts, when hodlers move their UTXOs; - signalling should be weighted by Bitcoin Days Destroyed [ref_bdd]; - Coinbase.com's interests are not sufficiently aligned to poll them; and - yuk, it's voting. Without supporting voting, I wish to note there is also one more way to de-Sybil, via network analysis, historically labeled the Web of Trust. It can be algorithmically blinded so as not to fit strongly into your "KYC" category, despite using assertions about people that do know each other as a ground truth. [ref_bdd:] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Days_Destroyed