From: Richard Brady <rnbrady@gmail.com>
To: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com>
Cc: Bitcoin <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP70: why Google Protocol Buffers for encoding?
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:16:54 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAN5esQJK4UnkQC=y6aT15txFekpptv32+5n4CbyR=6G6J7HF4A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJHLa0OTynX4oiQoyanpRKE2tpAuS4L5X-2j20328725J9RrvQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Fair points, although for me the line is blurred between which of those are
security considerations vs performance considerations.
Richard
On 19 January 2015 at 19:09, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
> Text formats such as XML or JSON are far less deterministic, are more
> loosely specified, have wide variance in parsing, are not very hash-able,
> the list goes on.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2015 at 2:07 PM, Richard Brady <rnbrady@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gavin, Mike and co
>>
>> Is there a strong driver behind the choice of Google Protocol Buffers for
>> payment request encoding in BIP-0070?
>>
>> Performance doesn't feel that relevant when you think that:
>> 1. Payment requests are not broadcast, this is a request / response flow,
>> much more akin to a web request.
>> 2. One would be cramming this data into a binary format just so you can
>> then attach it to a no-so-binary format such as HTTP.
>>
>> Some great things about protocols/encodings such as HTTP/JSON/XML are:
>> 1. They are human readable on-the-wire. No Wireshark plugin required,
>> tcpdump or ngrep will do.
>> 2. There are tons of great open source libraries and API for parsing /
>> manipulating / generating.
>> 3. It's really easy to hand-craft a test message for debugging.
>> 4. The standards are much easier to read and write. They don't need to
>> contain code like BIP-0070 currently does and they can contain examples,
>> which BIP70 does not.
>> 5. They are thoroughly specified by independent standards bodies such as
>> the IETF. Gotta love a bit of MUST / SHOULD / MAY in a standard.
>> 6. They're a family ;-)
>>
>> Keen to hear your thoughts on this and very keen to watch the payment
>> protocol grow regardless of encoding choice! My background is SIP / VoIP
>> and I think that could be a fascinating use case for this protocol which
>> I'm hoping to do some work on.
>>
>> Best,
>> Richard
>>
>>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-19 19:17 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-01-19 19:07 [Bitcoin-development] BIP70: why Google Protocol Buffers for encoding? Richard Brady
2015-01-19 19:09 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-19 19:16 ` Richard Brady [this message]
2015-01-19 19:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-19 19:48 ` Peter Todd
2015-01-19 19:57 ` Richard Brady
2015-01-19 20:03 ` Alan Reiner
2015-01-19 20:06 ` Peter Todd
2015-01-19 20:40 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-19 20:56 ` Gavin Andresen
2015-01-19 21:22 ` Brian Hoffman
2015-01-19 20:59 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-01-24 13:19 ` Isidor Zeuner
2015-01-25 22:59 ` Ross Nicoll
2015-03-14 15:58 ` Isidor Zeuner
2015-03-24 12:08 ` Jorge Timón
2015-01-19 21:21 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-19 19:19 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-01-19 19:37 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-19 19:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-28 12:45 Nicolas DORIER
2015-01-28 13:32 ` Wladimir
2015-01-28 14:00 ` Nicolas DORIER
2015-01-28 15:42 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-28 16:04 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-28 16:52 ` Nicolas DORIER
2015-01-28 17:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2015-01-28 17:45 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-28 16:19 ` Giuseppe Mazzotta
2015-01-28 16:51 ` Matt Whitlock
2015-01-28 17:02 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-28 16:34 ` Nicolas DORIER
2015-01-28 16:55 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-28 17:04 ` Nicolas Dorier
2015-01-28 17:14 ` Mike Hearn
2015-01-28 17:17 ` Angel Leon
2015-01-28 17:27 ` Nicolas DORIER
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