From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Wd2Qp-0006dp-7M for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:02:07 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of zikula.org designates 209.85.212.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.182; envelope-from=drak@zikula.org; helo=mail-wi0-f182.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f182.google.com ([209.85.212.182]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wd2Qn-0000YT-TS for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:02:07 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f182.google.com with SMTP id d1so1658692wiv.9 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:01:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=FLTgbtrm5DQdnstJKEktuNRXChtDpxaTqSrJ/RqUeAk=; b=Tx5hJ7aSLo3Elto+xlKGAKAxYSui6nltpCi9XXW/vjXt7ivRPdJDomaK3FW0ldxuL2 0R0m4wXnec47vvwwfZyQtE6m2FkjUOu2Iv0UxQpu4pfAiXXAmTL3ax1nOgRhCWHDdBUs WMfALviMW4fHHRJbT40DFvxbYBLvO/qdfX1fhpOd/TUzeSOCDCgAyeHAJMtvL4+LgV2z KTV99nXDySlr56ptRG3jHSSx06GRHWy6GG2to52jhk/RXqHYSt4w3Li3NmgozXuaGN42 K0uVAI8wOcJkUou8oEObybFi8ZddPdMJ205kUrMok8bP2y4EPKtgCR+Dt1lyXEXb5d3i mWMg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlg8NUXhc+s3JiXdUY+MlcMyuuoa1TCc4Yzq4yxSy+RfipxPk3dEW6+7FwSCQNWQK90Txi1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.59.226 with SMTP id c2mr40079685wjr.6.1398279718536; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.24.137 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:01:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.24.137 with HTTP; Wed, 23 Apr 2014 12:01:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <53580B26.7050008@gmail.com> References: <5357D394.7010908@gmail.com> <5357F634.2070300@gmail.com> <5357FD32.40200@gmail.com> <535800C1.9060604@gmail.com> <20140423181545.GA5434@savin> <53580452.3030705@gmail.com> <53580B26.7050008@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 20:01:58 +0100 Message-ID: From: Drak To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bacb6a0eb9f3604f7ba5d05 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Wd2Qn-0000YT-TS Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 19:02:08 -0000 --047d7bacb6a0eb9f3604f7ba5d05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant be civil, please go away until you learn some manners. I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire block causing distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress just to the evil miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications of all these options. I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement their own filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an open discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing before someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account other points of view they may not have considered yet. On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong > > place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or > > your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original > > proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as > > nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;) > > > > Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night > (assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed > have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"? > > The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life > implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this > is precisely why I responded in the way that I did. > > What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to get > away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail. > > Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating > to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency. > > - -- > Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. > Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakOKJFtB-k > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJTWAsmAAoJECoisBQbQ4v0XTcIAL70+EAkSMUgvGeTN+mROkkd > 3ap5NhUYehfW33gEEEyO3a6ofrb6k1a8EbHlzDyq7qPZ925kdvbnwqXDQm7auAh1 > V8IPAwp+JfCgVDVAxtHuUBUvTuuCn1Mrxnf6ppwzFywBxU6l6KYK9zac1HoX3EVY > QxME15zrBmtJfo9/ed9yWz8ZXl6nsx47D3r0VE8FiENJRgxLfZ7Odsr/sGvgL71N > aYPv7vMxRBNXDvrMhEuYKa3L83W5kv4JJxzueUyO/0bww/aaeZMZr850u/hUjMgU > ui37M+kiFHug3semWGKs1yJiKsEPsEPaU4j6WSDrd0bNbc73bBjvHm9SGYRHzDQ= > =L5nX > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start Your Social Network Today - Download eXo Platform > Build your Enterprise Intranet with eXo Platform Software > Java Based Open Source Intranet - Social, Extensible, Cloud Ready > Get Started Now And Turn Your Intranet Into A Collaboration Platform > http://p.sf.net/sfu/ExoPlatform > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > --047d7bacb6a0eb9f3604f7ba5d05 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cut it out with the ad hominem attacks please. If you cant b= e civil, please go away until you learn some manners.

I think the issue being discussed is do you orphan an entire= block causing distress to users as well, or try to just cause distress jus= t to the evil miner? This discussion is about exploring the ramifications o= f all these options.

I think you are also forgetting that, miners can implement t= heir own filters and behaviours without anyone's consent. So having an = open discussion and exploring all possibilities can only be a good thing be= fore someone goes off an implements a change without taking into account ot= her points of view they may not have considered yet.

On 23 Apr 2014 19:51, "Justus Ranvier"= <justusranvier@gmail.com= > wrote:
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On 04/23/2014 06:37 PM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> If you want to try and argue that the development list is the wrong > place to discuss development, please do so on another thread (or
> your blog). Let's keep this thread for discussion of the original<= br> > proposal - ideally, discussed with the dryness that a topic as
> nerdy as distributed consensus algorithms deserves ;)
>

Is that what you say to yourself to quiet your conscience at night
(assuming you're one of the non-sociopathic humans who does indeed
have one)? It's "just a nerdy distributed consensus problem"?=

The things you're talking about fucking around with have real life
implications for quite a few people and your casual dismissal of this
is precisely why I responded in the way that I did.

What you're doing is reckless endangerment and you're not got to ge= t
away with brushing it off as a mere technical detail.

Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and this episode is demonstrating
to the world exactly how averse you are do that kind of transparency.

- --
Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.
Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k
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