From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Vnns2-00048B-Hj for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:10:26 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of zikula.org designates 74.125.82.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.53; envelope-from=drak@zikula.org; helo=mail-wg0-f53.google.com; Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Vnnrt-0003zs-Nn for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:10:26 +0000 Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k14so10842550wgh.20 for ; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 03:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=cswFkHXQDNMgb2kPDHqCZ4lKdy7vRXgrI6VEaFbaxJo=; b=ZwE4Ub7urSHR0OC+D0pTD0L1T20Ec6HPViYQNiKBPEmc83UkzslVdve3f44aqGak8G ZL0zJqFRla8DXXUcPQ3qAfUekO+VUiszN/rpq9gg0CvmteTuYOmmq1pkD6EFPCkXtYbE /Ab5uUVQhVwqwwXrAOa77gz6JIttaPhrAlrhF34eJL0wv+sCianfyRStnecaW72b9ImJ 5mWqbTbO+/UFR5lYXDOXuUE4uCFm+4BEXcWHrH0qWUaQMh4yy83n78oviJFYAqqGyvcQ thJh6+Kt7GrxaPXh9Osxx2tjK+L96P1n21R1u76Wh9tksSnv8VJef6JjGP6a55chhhPo +DDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmZFpttc9gvGoL8RZlvUirdA7TIhJKgXkRwxP4uKVTh2N4rxeCsDftuxhN166dnR5YEZ4QI X-Received: by 10.194.236.199 with SMTP id uw7mr6548376wjc.63.1386069011413; Tue, 03 Dec 2013 03:10:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.93.105 with HTTP; Tue, 3 Dec 2013 03:09:51 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131203110354.GA6513@tilt> References: <5E4597E4-C1C7-4536-8CF0-82EDD7715DAB@plan99.net> <39921E12-B411-4430-9D56-04F53906B109@plan99.net> <20131203110354.GA6513@tilt> From: Drak Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 11:09:51 +0000 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01493e440f515204ec9f5717 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: petertodd.org] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Vnnrt-0003zs-Nn Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Floating fees and SPV clients X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2013 11:10:26 -0000 --089e01493e440f515204ec9f5717 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 3 December 2013 11:03, Peter Todd wrote: > UI once both are implemented is to not show anything in the default > case, and explain to the user why they have to pay extra in the unusual > case where they are spending a whole bunch of dust. Yes, that's the other problem with a merchant setting a fee - they have no idea how large the transaction might be. If you spend a bunch of dust the fee could be 2 or 3x the expected fee. Then you might get merchants including higher fees by default to account for this. That means we end up paying more per kb over time. --089e01493e440f515204ec9f5717 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 3= December 2013 11:03, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote= :
UI once both are impl= emented is to not show anything in the default
case, and explain to the user why they have to pay extra in the unusual
case where they are spending a whole bunch of dust.

Yes, that's the other problem with a merchant setting a fee - = they have no idea how large the transaction might be. If you spend a bunch = of dust the fee could be 2 or 3x the expected fee. Then you might get merch= ants including higher fees by default to account for this. That means we en= d up paying more per kb over time.
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