From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VOn43-0008EH-QE for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:15:27 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-bk0-f50.google.com; Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com ([209.85.214.50]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VOn40-0001gk-7o for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:15:27 +0000 Received: by mail-bk0-f50.google.com with SMTP id mz11so2294383bkb.9 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:15:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.204.60.66 with SMTP id o2mr27545815bkh.22.1380107717736; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.204.237.74 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:15:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <521298F0.20108@petersson.at> Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 13:15:17 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jq9i03pt1FLeQ5Ad36gQvsIBs_I Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: Andreas Schildbach Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c376fc44acbd04e7335e4e X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1VOn40-0001gk-7o Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Payment Protocol: BIP 70, 71, 72 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 11:15:28 -0000 --001a11c376fc44acbd04e7335e4e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 It won't fit. But I don't see the logic. A URI contains instructions for making a payment. If that instruction is "pay to this address" or "download this file and do what you find there", it's no different unless there's potential for a MITM attack. If the request URL is HTTPS or a secured Bluetooth connection then there's no such possibility. On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Andreas Schildbach wrote: > While it's good to save space, I'm at the moment not convinced that > taking a de-route via an URL is a good idea to begin with. > > The main problem is trust. If you scan a QR code from a foreign phone, > you trust that that phone is owned by the one you want to send money to. > By adding the HTTP request that trust is voided. > > As soon as there is a BIP70 implementation, I will begin playing with > putting the payment request directly into the QR code. > > > On 09/25/2013 11:27 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: > > We could also say that if protocol part (https://) is missing, it's > > implied automatically. So just: > > > > bitcoin:1abc........?r=bob.com/r/aZgR > > > > I think that's about as small as possible without re-using the pubkey as > > a token in the url. > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Gavin Andresen > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Mike Hearn > > wrote: > > > > BTW, on the "make qrcodes more scannable" front -- is it too > > late to change BIP 72 so the new param is just "r" instead of > > "request"? Every byte helps when it comes to qrcodes ... > > > > > > Not too late, assuming there are no objections. Smaller QR codes is > > a very good reason to change it. > > > > -- > > -- > > Gavin Andresen > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > October Webinars: Code for Performance > > Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. > > Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most > from > > the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. 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It won't fit. But I don't see the logic. A URI con= tains instructions for making a payment. If that instruction is "pay t= o this address" or "download this file and do what you find there= ", it's no different unless there's potential for a MITM attac= k. If the request URL is HTTPS or a secured Bluetooth connection then there= 's no such possibility.




On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Andreas Schildbach <andreas@schildbach.de> wrote:
While it's good to save space, I'm a= t the moment not convinced that
taking a de-route via an URL is a good idea to begin with.

The main problem is trust. If you scan a QR code from a foreign phone,
you trust that that phone is owned by the one you want to send money to. By adding the HTTP request that trust is voided.

As soon as there is a BIP70 implementation, I will begin playing with
putting the payment request directly into the QR code.


On 09/25/2013 11:27 AM, Mike Hearn wrote:
> We could also say that if protocol part (https://) is missing, it'= s
> implied automatically. So just:
>
> bitcoin:1abc........?r=3Dbob.com/r/aZgR <http://bob.com/r/aZgR>
>
> I think that's about as small as possible without re-using the pub= key as
> a token in the url.
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 1:35 AM, Gavin Andresen <gavinandresen@gmail.com
> <mailto:gavinandresen@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 11:52 PM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:mike@plan99.net>> wrote:
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BTW, on the "make qrcodes more scanna= ble" front -- is it too
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 late to change BIP 72 so the new param is = just "r" instead of
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 "request"? Every byte helps when= it comes to qrcodes ...
>
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Not too late, assuming there are no objections. Smaller = QR codes is
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 a very good reason to change it.
>
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Gavin Andresen
>
>
>
>
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