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From: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Flavien Charlon <flavien.charlon@coinprism.com>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] [BIP draft] CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY - Prevent a txout from being spent until an expiration time
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 14:58:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CANEZrP0_jDouDCLn9BvxUd7UYiZLbVsaGGkkxwjcOYxZryBDPQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141004003850.GA23202@muck>

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>
> Anyway the stuff Mike is saying about being able to detect upgrades is
> incorrect - detecting an upgrade is *easier* with a soft-fork, just look
> at the block header nVersion numbers and warn the user if they increase
> beyond what you know is valid. Bitcoin Core implements this IIRC, and
> bitcoinj should.
>

Nobody said hard forks shouldn't have an associated block version number
increase - that's a straw man. They should! The difference is only whether
older clients are presented with data they would refuse to accept thus
ensuring they don't accept the new version blocks.

Meanwhile, what I said *is* correct. New version numbers result in only a
log print. Being hard forked off results in both log prints *and* the
-alertnotify being run: it's noisier, and if the user followed the
instructions printed to the console when there is no config file present,
he/she should also get an email or some other kind of more meaningful alert.

Finally, please stop trying to imply that all this is settled and I'm
somehow an idiot for bringing it up. You've done that on the pull request
and now here, it gives me a headache. Instead of making hand-waving
references to "stuff on IRC ages ago", explain why it's better to keep
these nodes in some fantasy world where they think they're fully validating
but are actually not.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-04 12:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-01 13:08 [Bitcoin-development] [BIP draft] CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY - Prevent a txout from being spent until an expiration time Peter Todd
2014-10-01 15:01 ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-02  1:06   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-01 15:29 ` Sergio Lerner
2014-10-01 17:06   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-01 18:23 ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-01 20:58   ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-01 21:04     ` Alan Reiner
2014-10-01 21:34       ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-02  0:12         ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02  0:05   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02  0:55     ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-02  1:09       ` Peter Todd
2014-10-02 15:05         ` Flavien Charlon
2014-10-03 14:28           ` Matt Whitlock
2014-10-03 14:30             ` Matt Whitlock
2014-10-03 16:17             ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-03 17:50             ` Luke Dashjr
2014-10-03 20:58               ` Mike Hearn
2014-10-03 23:12                 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-10-04  0:38                   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-04 12:58                     ` Mike Hearn [this message]
2014-10-07 15:50                       ` Gavin Andresen
2014-10-07 16:08                         ` Mike Hearn
2014-10-08 10:26                           ` Wladimir
2014-10-09  3:13                             ` Alan Reiner
2014-10-09  6:14                               ` Adam Back
2014-10-09  6:28                                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-09  6:33                                   ` Peter Todd
2014-10-09  6:40                                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-10-08  4:07                         ` Tom Harding
2014-10-08 10:15                           ` Mike Hearn
2015-03-16 22:22 ` [Bitcoin-development] Relative CHECKLOCKTIMEVERIFY (was CLTV proposal) Matt Corallo
2015-03-19 17:39   ` Zooko Wilcox-OHearn
2015-04-21  7:59   ` Peter Todd
2015-04-26 11:35     ` Jorge Timón
2015-04-26 12:20       ` Jorge Timón
2015-04-27 19:35         ` Peter Todd
2015-04-28  7:44           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-04  2:15     ` Matt Corallo
2015-05-04 11:24       ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-05  0:41         ` Btc Drak
2015-05-05 19:19           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-05 20:38         ` Tier Nolan
2015-05-06  7:37           ` Jorge Timón
2015-05-06 22:09             ` Tier Nolan

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