From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1TfXVV-0007fp-VA for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:00:29 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.214.175 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.175; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-ob0-f175.google.com; Received: from mail-ob0-f175.google.com ([209.85.214.175]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1TfXVQ-00035P-EM for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:00:29 +0000 Received: by mail-ob0-f175.google.com with SMTP id vb8so2634489obc.34 for ; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 07:00:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.60.30.42 with SMTP id p10mr3172874oeh.59.1354546819032; Mon, 03 Dec 2012 07:00:19 -0800 (PST) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.128.139 with HTTP; Mon, 3 Dec 2012 07:00:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <80648682-E34A-455E-B34A-6BC24652C3EA@ceptacle.com> References: <80648682-E34A-455E-B34A-6BC24652C3EA@ceptacle.com> Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 16:00:18 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GLXqzSncio6Vk02z807qbzGZPjA Message-ID: From: Mike Hearn To: Michael Gronager Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1TfXVQ-00035P-EM Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Chain dust mitigation: Demurrage based Chain Vacuuming X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:00:30 -0000 > The main source for these 1 Satoshi payouts is Sahtoshi Dice. Because people are making 1 satoshi bets, or is this part of their messaging system? Pieter is right, getting consensus behind your proposal is too hard and it's not likely to ever happen (I wouldn't support it, for one). Outputs that never get spent are simply using disk space, the working set is really defined by the coins that are moving. Disk space is cheap. So this problem doesn't feel that urgent to me. Now if people were routinely spending those 1 satoshi outputs, it'd be less great as it'd increase the working set size. I suspect some of these coins can be cleared over time by adjusting wallets to consolidate outputs into the change outputs when a transaction that has spare space before reaching the next size/fee level takes place.