From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <mh.in.england@gmail.com>) id 1Wf8z2-0006Ih-5s for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:26:08 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.219.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.219.48; envelope-from=mh.in.england@gmail.com; helo=mail-oa0-f48.google.com; Received: from mail-oa0-f48.google.com ([209.85.219.48]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Wf8z1-0003FQ-9v for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:26:08 +0000 Received: by mail-oa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id m1so298694oag.21 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:26:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.176.9 with SMTP id ce9mr2557624oec.55.1398781561915; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) Sender: mh.in.england@gmail.com Received: by 10.76.96.180 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 07:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <CAAS2fgRbGhMO+KzNQ9NhvpH6QyoaOJH-x9rDjYqEtq0R9=d7Vg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CANEZrP3obO9rXKcX+G7bs2dd3AqEFOsO8pCUF6orrkGeZyr9Ew@mail.gmail.com> <CAC1+kJPxwTm6qvh2GYT2XMJAPD5O4WHLOGBTRmchRmZ2wS4MSg@mail.gmail.com> <CANEZrP2PZFVvH3oJyLW80e9W_Fa4bvqQ25E7T-ZFFuG9u-q1hQ@mail.gmail.com> <5359E509.4080907@gmail.com> <CANEZrP0bKe-=T5ps0myLZjo60tv2mkm3Bw0o4e-9y7zb1h5eDg@mail.gmail.com> <535A60FE.10209@gmail.com> <CANEZrP0y45eSVgbzXYmvYy1WEQNyd=tmC2EpZgGSB28poXSzDw@mail.gmail.com> <535BA357.6050607@gmail.com> <CANOOu=_T82zuV79DWZFGK0Nomhp-Y4tqOhw6ZHhCLb2uGtdR5w@mail.gmail.com> <535CFDB4.1000200@gmail.com> <20140428214102.GA8347@netbook.cypherspace.org> <CANEZrP0E=i6gyJwvLZRTeKvqaVrxR69=UzJWsAqaK2=QSdtn_A@mail.gmail.com> <CAAS2fgRbGhMO+KzNQ9NhvpH6QyoaOJH-x9rDjYqEtq0R9=d7Vg@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 16:26:01 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 4980C0sgBpxDo1t3wbakdkkJTug Message-ID: <CANEZrP2wDXLHDtdQPvqvz0CLRLzcsGB=uMFwWVYFq2N5CNOLrA@mail.gmail.com> From: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> To: Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0118226c1dd0fa04f82f368a X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (mh.in.england[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Wf8z1-0003FQ-9v Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Coinbase reallocation to discourage Finney attacks X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:26:08 -0000 --089e0118226c1dd0fa04f82f368a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > These parties wouldn't generally consider themselves attackers > Of course not, attackers rarely do :) But they are miners who are taking part in malicious double spending. That makes them attackers. If miners don't exist to stop double spending, what do they exist for? I mean, this is fundamental. What do you think miners exist for? --089e0118226c1dd0fa04f82f368a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blo= ckquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #c= cc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"">These parties wouldn't gener= ally consider themselves attackers</div> </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Of course not, attackers rarely do :)</div= ><div><br></div><div>But they are miners who are taking part in malicious d= ouble spending. That makes them attackers. If miners don't exist to sto= p double spending, what do they exist for?</div> <div><br></div><div>I mean, this is fundamental. What do you think miners e= xist for?</div></div></div></div> --089e0118226c1dd0fa04f82f368a--