From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1W5NvM-0003lU-8p for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:06:32 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.160.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.42; envelope-from=christophe.biocca@gmail.com; helo=mail-pb0-f42.google.com; Received: from mail-pb0-f42.google.com ([209.85.160.42]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1W5NvK-000506-GY for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:06:32 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f42.google.com with SMTP id jt11so5516789pbb.29 for ; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:06:24 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.93.165 with SMTP id cv5mr21062934pbb.98.1390259184600; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:06:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.68.146.72 with HTTP; Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:06:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20140120223502.GA1055@petertodd.org> References: <20140120223502.GA1055@petertodd.org> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:06:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Christophe Biocca To: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (christophe.biocca[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1W5NvK-000506-GY Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP0039: Final call X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:06:32 -0000 I remember the wordlist choice getting bikeshedded to death a month ago. I would just include the wordlist as part of the standard (as a recommendation) so that fully compliant implementations can correct a user's typos regardless of the original generator. Those who don't like it will have to deal with the compatibility concerns themselves, or get an alternate wordlist approved as a BIP. Odds are no one will go that route. On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 04:05:14PM -0600, Brooks Boyd wrote: >> On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 11:42 AM, slush wrote: >> >> > Hi all, >> > >> > during recent months we've reconsidered all comments which we received >> > from the community about our BIP39 proposal and we tried to meet all >> > requirements for such standard. Specifically the proposal now doesn't >> > require any specific wordlist, so every client can use its very own list of >> > preferred words. Generated mnemonic can be then applied to any other >> > BIP39-compatible client. Please follow current draft at >> > https://github.com/trezor/bips/blob/master/bip-0039.mediawiki. >> >> So, because the [mnemonic]->[bip32 root] is just hashing, you've >> effectively made your "mnemonic sentence" into a brainwallet? Since every >> mnemonic sentence can now lead to a bip32 root, and only the client that >> created the mnemonic can verify the mnemonic passes its checksum (assuming >> all clients use different wordlists, the only client that can help you if >> you fat-finger the sentence is the client that created it)? > > That issue is more than enough to get a NACK from me on making the > current BIP39 draft a standard - I can easily see that leading to users > losing a lot of money. > > Have any wallets implemented BIP39 this way already in released code? > > -- > 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org > 00000000000000009c3092c0b245722363df8b29cfbb86368f4f7303e655983a > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > CenturyLink Cloud: The Leader in Enterprise Cloud Services. > Learn Why More Businesses Are Choosing CenturyLink Cloud For > Critical Workloads, Development Environments & Everything In Between. > Get a Quote or Start a Free Trial Today. > http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=119420431&iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development >