From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21AA7C002C for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A65460B4B for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:07:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.848 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.848 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jDfSTDgQIeAg for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:07:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCDF960B0A for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id u3so24245163wrg.3 for ; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:07:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Ey0T8FNT2LWaOZOdG1B2gvEIgLzAIPZFxuoSc3dWB4M=; b=hgovS0eIPXkPFJfWB96hBAubjYexmmB0byzbQIGy7KT3mMksh4l6rXWOG3kNdN1nd4 FQg3/erzJXNB7tmqMQOHAc/vhOJ7z82+7Uj3r9WuHPy84Vvep3Y0pgfWEfHUYYP8Czwn pDbtqMesuSHhX2lYgmoi7slnavctv6eFoYuvTV/8o3MIBY1PuCeYT4luInvB5KZZ6Xt4 QwLlayjiX8dZT3N4mXWMcvBdaIMz2NBrXG+P7P0GO0++tdImNhi/Ta+nUFYs9zzEepaY zAJdCU6breGn1pS3PO6117GM/CyWbdDSXNDWGmb0z6WlKXlaoYtA7fzamT290F7/9/bQ om9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=Ey0T8FNT2LWaOZOdG1B2gvEIgLzAIPZFxuoSc3dWB4M=; b=oIX4nsGlcw9zgusajrAMOTfiqpAAHzmrDxagkjJmrFhnrG3homP3WIW9UMzkkgm0QP 7U/h2vXZ0awub7alZfgnWqnBzpwjeAyErwwbrMONQj6VjtkIO/WA5HmD7BhcY9E3Rmbx ir3lAOunMXeBriKTJCqPW4zHL2fpz5C0M8hbOVSxbx9uPCMW9kh2WW0B5UxCMLP4yi/B pUMl+IAfEl1Jd+en5gZVxBkzQ2EEoO/cdH2ThDF6iMHCSBb3lH90wR7PzzTaa//ON5+i LU44EITOzVty/KkzcT0AEUIxbjEeig3N4/vfegKJ+2Yvx/WbMKfwH9LIVp9huKPa3XmV co/w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KuWlMhlYfofW+L2blZ7dX+SZ5pOyStKux7MI7CTH4Wa70uTgd JKoK+mlIISvxiiLtfj51OzRptnVZTn+61MBQ+IE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxNY/XerY3vw1Di8W+J4Nmob4LYAoGxY7lkDRQ08pXEVzLBrsu2ekGEfDw8RsidpZ/l41cTZayieV6qEDC9iqg= X-Received: by 2002:adf:914f:0:b0:1ed:bb92:d0cc with SMTP id j73-20020adf914f000000b001edbb92d0ccmr25792549wrj.297.1649700460897; Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:07:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Olaoluwa Osuntokun Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 14:07:29 -0400 Message-ID: To: Erik Aronesty , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f52a2c05dc64d14a" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Simple step one for quantum X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 18:07:44 -0000 --000000000000f52a2c05dc64d14a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The NIST Post-Quantum Cryptography competition [1] results should be published "soon": https://groups.google.com/a/list.nist.gov/g/pqc-forum/c/fvnhyQ25jUg/m/-pYN2nshBgAJ . The last reply on that thread promised results by the end of March, but since that has come and gone, I think it's safe to expect results by the end of this month (April). FWIW, NTRU and NTRU Prime both made it to round 3 for the public key encryption/exchange and digital signature categories, but both of them seem to be mired in some sort of patent controversy atm... -- Laolu [1]: https://csrc.nist.gov/Projects/post-quantum-cryptography On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 5:36 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > First step could be just implementing a similar address type > (secp26k1+NTRU) and associated validation as a soft fork > > https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html#9.0 > > Then people can opt-in to quantum safe addresses > > Still should work with schnorr and other things > > It's a lot of work to fold this in and it's a some extra validation work > for nodes > > Adding a fee premium for using these addresses in order to address that > concern seems reasonable > > I'm not saying I endorse any action at all. Personally I think this is > putting the cart like six and a half miles in front of the horse. > > But if there's a lot of people that are like yeah please do this, I'd be > happy to make an NTRU bip or something. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --000000000000f52a2c05dc64d14a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 = at 5:36 PM Erik Aronesty via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wr= ote:
First step could be just implementing a similar ad= dress type (secp26k1+NTRU) and associated validation as a soft fork=C2=A0

https://www.openssh.com= /releasenotes.html#9.0

The= n people can opt-in to quantum safe addresses

Still should work with schnorr and other things
=

It's a lot of work to fol= d this in and it's a some extra validation work for nodes

Adding a fee premium for using these = addresses in order to address that concern seems reasonable

I'm not saying I endorse any acti= on at all.=C2=A0 Personally I think this is putting the cart like six and a= half miles in front of the horse.

But if there's a lot of people that are like yeah please do = this, I'd be happy to make an NTRU bip or something.




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