From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A04C273 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 04:52:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ie0-f178.google.com (mail-ie0-f178.google.com [209.85.223.178]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A64A7 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 04:52:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ieqy10 with SMTP id y10so49119950ieq.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cVuMuJSctXiCXAKowAcQmV7mZUmaCldmzWfyjGfzH+A=; b=Npl6hR6+Ct70EgGcOAdlhTAmVxKfP0JBJUkwUT45eZH4DKvsb5RxTAlrObaGOPBqWo 3O5dt3uaxstOqivyM8bNsOsHYdEwFHdKVR2jFCVvOfxvOswZ0kd2Eai+zx9poIQVMAFQ c+/m9tulx62eXZJG+TpyNqKdspu4DtWWlFLJwGpw4t7b+NbZV6evb012GSsfLXoCFy7V 9R2qY67M7YQel08zx1PbwruF2Cp6o4kSNCsPBdXcIYqMFGjuJ3ZlDVvGub9/OKqtf/pB 6HutjSfG0Lm+sKiEJDRHJSlA0EYeCD3Cch+RHTACKw1w3g5wdRcZQTdaDC18yWzQcay+ TS8g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQn2Cq+M8qNrUVcQ+8Yf7zDrf368zI+L9QNjpbWbvHo+jeeYQqYGecH0gzP9oMY8GGGhU2dW MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.142.9 with SMTP id rs9mr10921288igb.17.1435812777579; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.107.18.97 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [208.54.5.171] Received: by 10.107.18.97 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:52:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 21:52:57 -0700 Message-ID: From: Mark Friedenbach To: DKBryant@gmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2ff1c92747c0519dd36d7 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] REQ BIP # / Discuss - Sweep incoming unconfirmed transactions with a bounty. X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 04:52:59 -0000 --001a11c2ff1c92747c0519dd36d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This is called child pays for parent and there is a three year old pull request implementing it: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1647 The points regarding sweep transaction UI is out of scope for a BIP I'm afraid. I suggest talking with wallet authors, and if agreement can be found writing a pull request. On Jul 1, 2015 9:44 PM, "Dan Bryant" wrote: > This is a process BIP request to add functionality to the Bitcoin-Core > reference implementation. If accepted, this could also add > flexibility into any future fee schedules. > > https://github.com/d4n13/bips/blob/master/bip-00nn.mediawiki > > Note, left the formatting in, since mediawiki is a fairly light markup. > ================================== >
>   BIP: nn
>   Title: Sweep unconfirmed transactions by including their outputs in
> high fee transactions
>   Author: Dan Bryant 
>   Status: Draft
>   Type: Process
>   Created: 2015-07-01
> 
> > ==Abstract== > > This BIP describes an enhancement to the reference client that > addresses the need incentive inclusion of unconfirmed transactions. > This method will create new high fee (or bounty) transactions that > spend the desired unconfirmed transactions. To claim the high fee > (bounty) transactions, miners will need to include the desired > unconfirmed transactions. > > ==Motivation== > > There are times when an individual receives a payment from someone > that is in a poorly crafted transaction. This transaction may include > no fees, or insufficient fees to be included by many miners. The > recipient would be willing to pay a nominal transaction fee to have > the payment transaction swept into the next block, but has no simple > way to craft this incentive. > > This BIP could be highly desirable for merchants who may have little > control over the type of wallets their customers use. A merchant will > want to ensure that all POS transactions to their hot wallet be given > a high probability of inclusion in the next block. This BIP would > allow the merchant to sweep all their POS transactions currently in > the mempool into one high fee sweep, thus greatly increasing the > chance that they are in the next block. > > Although many wallets have the ability to tailor the transaction fees > of payments that are sent, this BIP is unique in the sense that it > allows people to offer a bounty for transactions that are incoming. > > ==Specification== > > This BIP would have two implementations; an automatic sweep of > incoming unconfirmed transaction setting, and a manual sweep of > unconfirmed transaction setting. Both would have the ability to set > the fee amount the user would like to pay for the sweep. > > ====Automatic sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions==== > > An automatic sweep configuration may be ideal for merchants who want > to ensure that their incoming transactions are not skipped over by > miners. An automatic sweep setting would consist of four fields, > '''sweep_fee''', '''skipped_count''', and > '''btc_threshold''' > > Currently, the standard transaction fee is 0.0001 BTC, a generous > sweep bounty would be 0.001 BTC. Skipped-count will control the age > of unconfirmed transactions to include in the sweep. If skipped-count > is set to three, then any incoming transaction that remains > unconfirmed for 3 blocks would trigger a sweep. A skipped-count of 0 > would trigger a sweep whenever any transaction is skipped, or if it > reaches an age of 10 minutes, regardless of how long the current block > is taking. > > As a safeguard to paying a bounty for small "dust" transactions, a > minimum btc-threshold would be required for any automatic > configuration. A good starting threshold would be 0.10 BTC. These > automatic settings would allow a wallet implementing this BIP to > automatically perform a sweep of unconfirmed transactions whenever > more than 0.10 BTC of incoming transactions were detected in the > mempool. Furthermore, no more than one automatic sweep would be > performed in any 10 minute window. > > Whenever a sweep is triggered, all incoming unconfirmed transactions > should be swept, not simply the ones that triggered the sweep. These > would include new transactions as well as dust transactions. Each > sweep transaction would go to a new wallet address since recycling > wallet addresses is poor practice. > > ====Manual sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions==== > > A manual sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions would be a special > type of "Send" in the current reference implementation. A manual > sweep would auto-fill a send transaction with all currently > unconfirmed incoming transactions in the mempool. The fee field would > be completely settable by the user and would auto-fill with the > suggestions of 0.001 BTC > > A manual sweep would also be available as a context option when > selecting any unconfirmed transaction. > > ==Compatibility== > > Wallet software that does not support this BIP will continue to > operate without modification. > > ==Examples== > >
>  //unconf_tx =
> ef7c0cbf6ba5af68d2ea239bba709b26ff7b0b669839a63bb01c2cb8e8de481e
>  //hifee_tx  =
> f5a5ce5988cc72b9b90e8d1d6c910cda53c88d2175177357cc2f2cf0899fbaad
>  //rcpt_addr = moQR7i8XM4rSGoNwEsw3h4YEuduuP6mxw7 # recipient controlled
> addr.
>  //chng_addr = mvbnrCX3bg1cDRUu8pkecrvP6vQkSLDSou # recipient controlled
> addr.
>
>  // UNCONF_TX - Assume a zero fee TX that miners are refusing in mempool
>  {
>      "txid" : "$unconf_tx",
>      //...
>      "vin" : [
>      //...
>      ],
>      "vout" : [
>          {
>              "value" : 1.50000000,
>              "n" : 0,
>              "scriptPubKey" : {
>                  //...
>                  "addresses" : [
>                      "$rcpt_addr"
>                  ]
>              }
>          }
>      ]
>  }
>
>  // HIFEE_TX - Requires UNCONF_TX to be included in order to claim the
>  //  high (0.001 BTC) fee.  Note this transaction is going from one
>  //  address to another in the same wallet.  Both are controlled by the
>  //  recipient.
>  {
>      "txid" : "$hifee_tx",
>      //...
>      "vin" : [
>          {
>              "txid" : "$unconf_tx",
>              "vout" : 0
>              //...
>          }
>      ],
>      "vout" : [
>          {
>              "value" : 1.49900000,
>              "n" : 0,
>              "scriptPubKey" : {
>                  //...
>                  "addresses" : [
>                      "$chng_addr"
>                  ]
>              }
>          }
>      ]
>  }
> 
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This is called child pays for parent and there is a three ye= ar old pull request implementing it:

htt= ps://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/1647

The points regarding sweep transaction UI is out of scope fo= r a BIP I'm afraid. I suggest talking with wallet authors, and if agree= ment can be found writing a pull request.

On Jul 1, 2015 9:44 PM, "Dan Bryant" &= lt;dkbryant@gmail.com> wrote:<= br type=3D"attribution">
This is a process BI= P request to add functionality to the Bitcoin-Core
reference implementation.=C2=A0 If accepted, this could also add
flexibility into any future fee schedules.

https://github.com/d4n13/bips/blob/maste= r/bip-00nn.mediawiki

Note, left the formatting in, since mediawiki is a fairly light markup.
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
<pre>
=C2=A0 BIP: nn
=C2=A0 Title: Sweep unconfirmed transactions by including their outputs in<= br> high fee transactions
=C2=A0 Author: Dan Bryant <dkbryan= t@gmail.com>
=C2=A0 Status: Draft
=C2=A0 Type: Process
=C2=A0 Created: 2015-07-01
</pre>

=3D=3DAbstract=3D=3D

This BIP describes an enhancement to the reference client that
addresses the need incentive inclusion of unconfirmed transactions.
This method will create new high fee (or bounty) transactions that
spend the desired unconfirmed transactions.=C2=A0 To claim the high fee
(bounty) transactions, miners will need to include the desired
unconfirmed transactions.

=3D=3DMotivation=3D=3D

There are times when an individual receives a payment from someone
that is in a poorly crafted transaction.=C2=A0 This transaction may include=
no fees, or insufficient fees to be included by many miners.=C2=A0 The
recipient would be willing to pay a nominal transaction fee to have
the payment transaction swept into the next block, but has no simple
way to craft this incentive.

This BIP could be highly desirable for merchants who may have little
control over the type of wallets their customers use.=C2=A0 A merchant will=
want to ensure that all POS transactions to their hot wallet be given
a high probability of inclusion in the next block.=C2=A0 This BIP would
allow the merchant to sweep all their POS transactions currently in
the mempool into one high fee sweep, thus greatly increasing the
chance that they are in the next block.

Although many wallets have the ability to tailor the transaction fees
of payments that are sent, this BIP is unique in the sense that it
allows people to offer a bounty for transactions that are incoming.

=3D=3DSpecification=3D=3D

This BIP would have two implementations; an automatic sweep of
incoming unconfirmed transaction setting, and a manual sweep of
unconfirmed transaction setting.=C2=A0 Both would have the ability to set the fee amount the user would like to pay for the sweep.

=3D=3D=3D=3DAutomatic sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions=3D=3D=3D= =3D

An automatic sweep configuration may be ideal for merchants who want
to ensure that their incoming transactions are not skipped over by
miners.=C2=A0 An automatic sweep setting would consist of four fields,
<tt>'''sweep_fee'''</tt>, <tt>= 9;''skipped_count'''</tt>, and
<tt>'''btc_threshold'''</tt>

Currently, the standard transaction fee is 0.0001 BTC, a generous
sweep bounty would be 0.001 BTC.=C2=A0 Skipped-count will control the age of unconfirmed transactions to include in the sweep.=C2=A0 If skipped-count=
is set to three, then any incoming transaction that remains
unconfirmed for 3 blocks would trigger a sweep.=C2=A0 A skipped-count of 0<= br> would trigger a sweep whenever any transaction is skipped, or if it
reaches an age of 10 minutes, regardless of how long the current block
is taking.

As a safeguard to paying a bounty for small "dust" transactions, = a
minimum btc-threshold would be required for any automatic
configuration.=C2=A0 A good starting threshold would be 0.10 BTC.=C2=A0 The= se
automatic settings would allow a wallet implementing this BIP to
automatically perform a sweep of unconfirmed transactions whenever
more than 0.10 BTC of incoming transactions were detected in the
mempool.=C2=A0 Furthermore, no more than one automatic sweep would be
performed in any 10 minute window.

Whenever a sweep is triggered, all incoming unconfirmed transactions
should be swept, not simply the ones that triggered the sweep.=C2=A0 These<= br> would include new transactions as well as dust transactions.=C2=A0 Each
sweep transaction would go to a new wallet address since recycling
wallet addresses is poor practice.

=3D=3D=3D=3DManual sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions=3D=3D=3D=3D
A manual sweep of incoming unconfirmed transactions would be a special
type of "Send" in the current reference implementation.=C2=A0 A m= anual
sweep would auto-fill a send transaction with all currently
unconfirmed incoming transactions in the mempool.=C2=A0 The fee field would=
be completely settable by the user and would auto-fill with the
suggestions of 0.001 BTC

A manual sweep would also be available as a context option when
selecting any unconfirmed transaction.

=3D=3DCompatibility=3D=3D

Wallet software that does not support this BIP will continue to
operate without modification.

=3D=3DExamples=3D=3D

<pre>
=C2=A0//unconf_tx =3D ef7c0cbf6ba5af68d2ea239bba709b26ff7b0b669839a63bb01c2= cb8e8de481e
=C2=A0//hifee_tx=C2=A0 =3D f5a5ce5988cc72b9b90e8d1d6c910cda53c88d2175177357= cc2f2cf0899fbaad
=C2=A0//rcpt_addr =3D moQR7i8XM4rSGoNwEsw3h4YEuduuP6mxw7 # recipient contro= lled addr.
=C2=A0//chng_addr =3D mvbnrCX3bg1cDRUu8pkecrvP6vQkSLDSou # recipient contro= lled addr.

=C2=A0// UNCONF_TX - Assume a zero fee TX that miners are refusing in mempo= ol
=C2=A0{
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"txid" : "$unconf_tx",
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"vin" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"vout" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"value" : 1.50000= 000,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"n" : 0,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"scriptPubKey" : = {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"address= es" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0"$rcpt_addr"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0]
=C2=A0}

=C2=A0// HIFEE_TX - Requires UNCONF_TX to be included in order to claim the=
=C2=A0//=C2=A0 high (0.001 BTC) fee.=C2=A0 Note this transaction is going f= rom one
=C2=A0//=C2=A0 address to another in the same wallet.=C2=A0 Both are contro= lled by the
=C2=A0//=C2=A0 recipient.
=C2=A0{
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"txid" : "$hifee_tx",
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"vin" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"txid" : "$u= nconf_tx",
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"vout" : 0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0],
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"vout" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0{
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"value" : 1.49900= 000,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"n" : 0,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"scriptPubKey" : = {
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0//...
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"address= es" : [
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0"$chng_addr"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0]
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0}
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0]
=C2=A0}
</pre>
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