From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E47767 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:07:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ig0-f179.google.com (mail-ig0-f179.google.com [209.85.213.179]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B361BC for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:07:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igxx6 with SMTP id x6so11823561igx.1 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:07:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=XrCR4jDQD7bdjhazRrn2i/E4MKJOjy0huVP7d5t4Gvk=; b=GCCvlWd/iSCnhOSlnKvdJc9WJxvW39b9P0fg2wBEov+q/PcieqIfU3EBRXrQtl43U5 YcYcXwWHiVr38cuJxySRv2fFp+GRWZzTee2n+beY/NwgV50DfZjXauOOKsMwtgquavhB 4daoEHc2dpMoihMHWV0GTO3PL8SreaN1v2nXv4Hh4sMia5XEMnp1lom/LoRLDz66GQFq 12uDkCuDJNhrLxIOLuT8ZBIBMBqwWAadHpkAl87b33vx5JAS9MCf+4f7rkM3hrCA8G2D U3xVVvu3TaF6tKaXaG15KADHL3KkQem2+WxOcLWvzFH3+bCYBGOpuK/MkTyppyS0qypZ p6Zg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlkPJOE78zxuUNM6wvzhl2E3PeKSc9AJsur2uscszAQrvte9jAha3D6YnSgjk5gW5ceakFA X-Received: by 10.50.20.104 with SMTP id m8mr9466751ige.46.1443546451478; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:07:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.135.104 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:07:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [173.228.107.141] In-Reply-To: <1026821443544682@web7h.yandex.ru> References: <1026821443544682@web7h.yandex.ru> From: Mark Friedenbach Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 10:07:12 -0700 Message-ID: To: Santino Napolitano Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd76a06752a120520e5d952 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin development mailing list Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] On bitcoin-dev list admin and list noise X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2015 17:07:32 -0000 --047d7bd76a06752a120520e5d952 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 This mailing list was never meant to be a place "to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for its actions [sic]." I know other developers that have switched to digest-only or unsubscribed. I know if this became a channel for PR and populist venting as you describe, I would leave as well. This mailing list is meant to be a place to discuss ongoing bitcoin development issues relating to the protocol and its instantiation in bitcoin core. Please don't decrease the utility of this list by expanding scope. On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Santino Napolitano via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > I'm not intending to completely dismiss your concerns but as a data point: > I read this list daily and it usually takes 15 minutes or less while I > drink a cup of coffee. > > My concern is that this is one of the (maybe *the*) last uncensored > persisted forums related to technical bitcoin discussion with wide > viewership. It is increasingly difficult for an average somewhat technical > person to attempt to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for > its actions or have their voice heard. It would really be a shame if > messages like this were relegated to a black hole where things like the > exchange rate and various scammy spam goes to fester. > > >Debates over bitcoin philosophy, broader context, etc. will start seeing > grumpy list admins squawk about "off-topic!" > > Who will draw this line? It's unclear to me who the list admins are. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --047d7bd76a06752a120520e5d952 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This mailing list was never meant to be a place "= ;to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for its actions [sic= ]." I know other developers that have switched to digest-only or unsub= scribed. I know if this became a channel for PR and populist venting as you= describe, I would leave as well. This mailing list is meant to be a place = to discuss ongoing bitcoin development issues relating to the protocol and = its instantiation in bitcoin core. Please don't decrease the utility of= this list by expanding scope.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2015 at 9:38 AM, Santino Napol= itano via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundati= on.org> wrote:
I'm not = intending to completely dismiss your concerns but as a data point: I read t= his list daily and it usually takes 15 minutes or less while I drink a cup = of coffee.

My concern is that this is one of the (maybe *the*) last uncensored persist= ed forums related to technical bitcoin discussion with wide viewership. It = is increasingly difficult for an average somewhat technical person to attem= pt to hold the bitcoin development community accountable for its actions or= have their voice heard. It would really be a shame if messages like this w= ere relegated to a black hole where things like the exchange rate and vario= us scammy spam goes to fester.

>Debates over bitcoin philosophy, broader context, etc. will start seein= g grumpy list admins squawk about "off-topic!"

Who will draw this line? It's unclear to me who the list admins = are.
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