From: Hugo Nguyen <hugo@nunchuk.io>
To: Christopher Allen <ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Bitcoin Secure Multisig Setup
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 02:58:06 -0800 [thread overview]
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On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 2:19 AM Christopher Allen <
ChristopherA@lifewithalacrity.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 2:06 AM Hugo Nguyen <hugo@nunchuk.io> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think reusing XPUBs inside different multisig wallets is a good
>> idea... For starters, loss of privacy in one wallet will immediately affect
>> privacy of other wallets. I think multisig wallets should be completely
>> firewalled from each other. That means one unique XPUB per wallet. This is
>> what we have been doing with the Nunchuk wallet.
>>
>
> To be clear, I have stated repeatedly that xpub reuse into multisig is a
> poor practice. However, finding a trustless solution when a wallet is
> airgapped with no network, or is stateless like Trezor, is quite hard.
>
> The challenge also includes how does an airgapped or stateless wallet know
> that it is talking to the same process on the other side that that it gave
> the xpub to in the first place. Without state to allow for a commitment, or
> at least a TOFU, a cosigner who thought he was part of a 3 of 5 could
> discover that he instead is in a 2 of 3, or in a script with an OR, as some
> form of scam.
>
The shared secret approach that I mentioned in the proposal actually can
help you here. The TOKEN doubles as a session ID - thereby establishing a
common state on both sides.
Best,
Hugo
>
> — Christopher Allen
>
>>
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Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-02-08 23:14 [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Bitcoin Secure Multisig Setup Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-09 9:33 ` Craig Raw
[not found] ` <CAPR5oBNWGLcnw97yPJBCgrj=EwoNdxz_RS9HM6EMpuX2-90JnQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-09 9:45 ` Hugo Nguyen
[not found] ` <CACrqygA1JRA293joYOxxpSepiuFD=uVvQQy3wpuosYyLQHff-A@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-09 9:38 ` Christopher Allen
2021-02-09 10:05 ` Hugo Nguyen
[not found] ` <CACrqygDhuateDtJMBSWd9sGRu1yzrZBw2yZ75OyKD1Xmzix3Cw@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-09 10:58 ` Hugo Nguyen [this message]
2021-02-11 13:25 ` Pavol Rusnak
2021-02-11 13:45 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-11 16:29 ` Dmitry Petukhov
2021-02-11 19:11 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-11 19:11 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-11 22:29 ` Christopher Allen
2021-02-12 12:31 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-12 13:48 ` Peter D. Gray
2021-02-12 16:55 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-12 17:42 ` Dmitry Petukhov
2021-02-12 17:48 ` Dmitry Petukhov
2021-02-12 17:54 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-14 10:37 ` Dmitry Petukhov
2021-02-14 11:28 ` Dmitry Petukhov
2021-02-15 8:44 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-15 13:53 ` Craig Raw
2021-02-15 14:19 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-02-15 16:45 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-05 7:02 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-09 12:07 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-09 14:09 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-09 14:54 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-09 15:33 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-10 19:32 ` Robert Spigler
2021-04-11 2:34 ` Michael.flaxman
2021-04-11 16:45 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-12 15:03 ` Salvatore Ingala
2021-04-12 17:55 ` Hugo Nguyen
2021-04-12 18:45 ` Christopher Allen
2021-04-12 20:43 ` Robert Spigler
2021-04-10 13:53 ` Erik Aronesty
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