From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.193] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YqY84-0008PQ-GA for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 08 May 2015 02:35:08 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.217.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.176; envelope-from=pieter.wuille@gmail.com; helo=mail-lb0-f176.google.com; Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com ([209.85.217.176]) by sog-mx-3.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YqY83-0006yS-Dx for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 08 May 2015 02:35:08 +0000 Received: by lbbuc2 with SMTP id uc2so44076303lbb.2 for ; Thu, 07 May 2015 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.87.164 with SMTP id az4mr1057590lab.123.1431052501076; Thu, 07 May 2015 19:35:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.19.7 with HTTP; Thu, 7 May 2015 19:35:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.19.7 with HTTP; Thu, 7 May 2015 19:35:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150507220848.GK63100@giles.gnomon.org.uk> References: <20150507200023.GI63100@giles.gnomon.org.uk> <20150507214200.GJ63100@giles.gnomon.org.uk> <20150507220848.GK63100@giles.gnomon.org.uk> Date: Fri, 8 May 2015 04:35:00 +0200 Message-ID: From: Pieter Wuille To: Roy Badami Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c354c2fb4f0d051588df71 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (pieter.wuille[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YqY83-0006yS-Dx Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Mechanics of a hard fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 May 2015 02:35:08 -0000 --001a11c354c2fb4f0d051588df71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On May 7, 2015 3:08 PM, "Roy Badami" wrote: > > On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 11:49:28PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote: > > I would not modify my node if the change introduced a perpetual 100 BTC > > subsidy per block, even if 99% of miners went along with it. > > Surely, in that scenario Bitcoin is dead. If the fork you prefer has > only 1% of the hash power it is trivially vulnerably not just to a 51% > attack but to a 501% attack, not to mention the fact that you'd only > be getting one block every 16 hours. Yes, indeed, Bitcoin would be dead if this actually happens. But that is still where the power lies: before anyone (miners or others) would think about trying such a change, they would need to convince people and be sure they will effectively modify their code. -- Pieter --001a11c354c2fb4f0d051588df71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On May 7, 2015 3:08 PM, "Roy Badami" <roy@gnomon.org.uk> wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 07, 2015 at 11:49:28PM +0200, Pieter Wuille wrote:
> > I would not modify my node if the change introduced a perpetual 1= 00 BTC
> > subsidy per block, even if 99% of miners went along with it.
>
> Surely, in that scenario Bitcoin is dead.=A0 If the fork you prefer ha= s
> only 1% of the hash power it is trivially vulnerably not just to a 51%=
> attack but to a 501% attack, not to mention the fact that you'd on= ly
> be getting one block every 16 hours.

Yes, indeed, Bitcoin would be dead if this actually happens.= But that is still where the power lies: before anyone (miners or others) w= ould think about trying such a change, they would need to convince people a= nd be sure they will effectively modify their code.

--
Pieter

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