From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 064EED36F for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:57:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wr1-f44.google.com (mail-wr1-f44.google.com [209.85.221.44]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76B352D4 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2019 10:57:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-f44.google.com with SMTP id d17so16863477wre.10 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:57:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=aRmkISo/hQAKzxujPHaLPO0EGKQwBQDn5Xt+stD4uXA=; b=JQ+vvN4rdc1Wr15yfc13N66tkr1SG8IYP5RRuFF/Q1F9Mwk8zDURYxYvLjxQlThh5N I8UJvlcAGps6jrUYzuWtVw2HcOn/3iUKRmZgpcfYIkBBjwAHzwLqwq6c3w8B/ZNFkfv9 6/Yf1NbVPSaPOZaXX5dv8Gyr6jGtSaFtb7Ng2vHKk0aY1IAkyaS/emsTbQ95jy6YIx7+ HBCuqm/1MBpm30kxpwGIWVuLFHExpqihSP1usMbR+KxAmp8uhEoGapenwYvdzlc6yQIZ sC0yey9VHoqUldmIYUr+krurC8ofdIZ0RUOX8gDOYIU+J3/rZwTHPLsw2EXHcnO6ByVX ujNA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=aRmkISo/hQAKzxujPHaLPO0EGKQwBQDn5Xt+stD4uXA=; b=WkccBlpnJxx/DbYTCMn+TrRK5KnnZxwAZjAvBU4kNOs+TmAEWmkTy2XIM0t+5PgoE9 6K023SH1FxfIVrR+44qBg/61Gq4DS9KPP/IIEAIdvlEPA8qDYyg1woSmf00dxgIlyVYa 1Pe3wLiZG7iGKx9IYfNdjwOG/0W6PQLQjHYhMfcOjzmq35gstNDbFDoqvaNGwGRicQwU 6bnWxD1PmJRWb9nCj/iXOg9Isj/2vh/CFHZ8jFknGfPdm1Oil9wozXyVkHTnzHRHzUM3 Jx1++I1iBXG1KS1wLPkE0uHf6LNo/8M5y8JA9ClZ0s3xgPPaPsEtUNQXIwJLDfw1cdgE 5psA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBlH5qgbyw+9PvF+zKFktjKCfV6qKza8nhRQO36b5aJhkcM5N9 zoeqTArX0LKrE4CjJVw8W3A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxf34zUV3WIosDv+hUvg9knxwN3KQBadsev3S9DG60KQfTSQrvOeVwj4YMBK8/Qt9W5fRdSig== X-Received: by 2002:adf:9004:: with SMTP id h4mr6659142wrh.49.1551956224003; Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:57:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from p200300dd670f9d8364cfd8ddf2eec275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (p200300DD670F9D8364CFD8DDF2EEC275.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [2003:dd:670f:9d83:64cf:d8dd:f2ee:c275]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n129sm3414730wmf.21.2019.03.07.02.57.02 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:57:03 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Tamas Blummer In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2019 11:57:03 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Gregory Maxwell , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 14:29:49 +0000 Cc: Amine Chakak Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP - Symbol for satoshi X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2019 10:57:06 -0000 It is highly unikely that non-engineers will adopt scientific notation = or mili/nano/pico prefixes for money.=20 All common currencies either have no change or one that is 1/100 of the = base unit.=20 This is the convention that practically all existing finance software = and non-Bitcoin related UI that deals with money assumes. Ignoring evident cultural preference and all pre-existenting finance = related software is blatant Bitcoin engineering blindness. We already had a BIP for bits, which I support for above reasons. = https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0176.mediawiki Tamas Blummer > On Mar 7, 2019, at 00:35, Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev = wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 12:32 AM Amine Chakak via bitcoin-dev > wrote: >> The idea has been floated around to switch to satoshi as a base unit. >=20 > If Satoshi wanted the currency units named after him, he would simply > have done it. I think this behaviour seems creepy and is harmful to > Bitcoin. >=20 >> The lightning network uses satoshis as a base unit. >=20 > It absolutely does not. Lightning uses units of 10 picobitcoin (1e-11 > btc), which is significantly smaller. >=20 >> Pleas let me know if it would be appropriate to write a BIP for it. >=20 > Please don't. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev