From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0274259 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com (mail-pa0-f47.google.com [209.85.220.47]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3151B11F for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:32:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by paccq16 with SMTP id cq16so37691673pac.1 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:32:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=Cd1TbRHR5wBcv8FIdI45t5Ek1uGiceu8Z8TdzOAl6zA=; b=IDFO7gYf4wlu4I997Rd7KCtNTqvq5kTDCcZhmh2Hz27A7cuD/29WLS2004v8bNebgM BHKjbt2Gq1Mk3zN1w6k+gjiiOLcjnBM1OING9SAQkPYfI6oUasnzttNbLSN9WGu9PInN /w8EycxiO18oMYcH+5Eq0yT9XznvLVVQmt+Qa2rgZxfX2FDiQQUU/LbpLaA4oJAyMRZ1 c3UUQmMx+MKPlr3aizN3VZzUJx2lguRpgQpJzaBsgK02y4CV7Nfw5OW68B1+CT2rNRH2 FjYSQ6q9hmbiZQ06QXAx3MjySgbIQSISpubJDlX/wRXqvgJNj7aB1ILf/PSO+bH+0Kha uA2Q== X-Received: by 10.68.247.226 with SMTP id yh2mr102946269pbc.12.1439674344916; Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.107] (cpe-76-167-237-202.san.res.rr.com. [76.167.237.202]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id am4sm9686715pbd.58.2015.08.15.14.32.11 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_330716C3-821A-4117-9D28-674326EA854A"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Eric Lombrozo In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 14:32:10 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: Mike Hearn X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT 0.11A X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2015 21:32:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_330716C3-821A-4117-9D28-674326EA854A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_133D2134-C8C1-4663-B286-0F1A8BD50835" --Apple-Mail=_133D2134-C8C1-4663-B286-0F1A8BD50835 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 You deeply disappoint me, Mike. Not only do you misrepresent many cogent, well thought out positions = from a great number of people who have published and posted a number of = articles detailing an explaining in-depth technical concerns=E2=80=A6you = also seem to fancy yourself more capable of reading into the intentions = of someone who disappeared from the scene years ago, before we even were = fully aware of many things we now know that bring the original = =E2=80=9Cplan=E2=80=9D into question. I ask of you, as a civilized human being, to stop doing this divisive = crap. Despite your protestations to the contrary, YOU are the one who is = proposing a radical departure from the direction of the project. Also, = as several of us have clearly stated before, equating the fork of an = open source project with a fork of a cryptoledger is completely bogus - = there=E2=80=99s a lot of other people=E2=80=99s money at stake. This = isn=E2=80=99t a democracy - consensus is all or nothing. The fact that a = good number of the people most intimately familiar with the inner = workings of Satoshi=E2=80=99s invention do not believe doing this is a = good idea should give you pause. Please stop using Bitcoin as your own political football=E2=80=A6for the = sake of Bitcoin=E2=80=A6and for your own sake. Despite your obvious = technical abilities (and I sincerely do believe you have them) you are = discrediting yourself and hurting your own reputation. - Eric > On Aug 15, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev = > wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 > As promised, we have released Bitcoin XT 0.11A which includes the = bigger blocks patch set. You can get it from >=20 > https://bitcoinxt.software/ >=20 > I feel sad that it's come to this, but there is no other way. The = Bitcoin Core project has drifted so far from the principles myself and = many others feel are important, that a fork is the only way to fix = things. >=20 > Forking is a natural thing in the open source community, Bitcoin is = not the first and won't be the last project to go through this. Often in = forks, people say there was insufficient communication. So to ensure = everything is crystal clear I've written a blog post and a kind of = "manifesto" to describe why this is happening and how XT plans to be = different from Core (assuming adoption, of course). >=20 > The article is here: >=20 > https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d22c1 = >=20 > It makes no attempt to be neutral: this explains things from our point = of view. >=20 > The manifesto is on the website. >=20 > I say to all developers on this list: if you also feel that Core is no = longer serving the interests of Bitcoin users, come join us. We don't = bite. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org = > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev --Apple-Mail=_133D2134-C8C1-4663-B286-0F1A8BD50835 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You deeply disappoint me, Mike.

Not only do you = misrepresent many cogent, well thought out positions from a great number = of people who have published and posted a number of articles detailing = an explaining in-depth technical concerns=E2=80=A6you also seem to fancy = yourself more capable of reading into the intentions of someone who = disappeared from the scene years ago, before we even were fully aware of = many things we now know that bring the original =E2=80=9Cplan=E2=80=9D = into question.

I= ask of you, as a civilized human being, to stop doing this divisive = crap. Despite your protestations to the contrary, YOU are the one who is = proposing a radical departure from the direction of the project. Also, = as several of us have clearly stated before, equating the fork of an = open source project with a fork of a cryptoledger is completely bogus - = there=E2=80=99s a lot of other people=E2=80=99s money at stake. This = isn=E2=80=99t a democracy - consensus is all or nothing. The fact that a = good number of the people most intimately familiar with the inner = workings of Satoshi=E2=80=99s invention do not believe doing this is a = good idea should give you pause.

Please stop using Bitcoin as your own = political football=E2=80=A6for the sake of Bitcoin=E2=80=A6and for your = own sake. Despite your obvious technical abilities (and I sincerely do = believe you have them) you are discrediting yourself and hurting your = own reputation.


- Eric

On Aug = 15, 2015, at 10:02 AM, Mike Hearn via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

Hello,

As = promised, we have released Bitcoin XT 0.11A which includes the bigger = blocks patch set. You can get it from

     https://bitcoinxt.software/

I feel sad that it's = come to this, but there is no other way. The Bitcoin Core project has = drifted so far from the principles myself and many others feel are = important, that a fork is the only way to fix things.

Forking is a natural = thing in the open source community, Bitcoin is not the first and won't = be the last project to go through this. Often in forks, people say there = was insufficient communication. So to ensure everything is crystal clear = I've written a blog post and a kind of "manifesto" to describe why this = is happening and how XT plans to be different from Core (assuming = adoption, of course).

The article is here:

    https://medium.com/@octskyward/why-is-bitcoin-forking-d647312d2= 2c1

It makes no attempt to be neutral: this explains things from = our point of view.

The manifesto is on the website.

I say to all developers on this list: = if you also feel that Core is no longer serving the interests of Bitcoin = users, come join us. We don't bite.

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bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev<= /a>

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