From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1A0C000B for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29CED84801 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:45:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=voskuil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WN96dikRQXil for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:45:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-qt1-x833.google.com (mail-qt1-x833.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::833]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76609847F5 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qt1-x833.google.com with SMTP id v2so14748134qtc.5 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=voskuil-org.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version:subject:date:message-id :references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=L2kmWXAjdKEPtmkFEJZoyHMFeroT/ZVv9gctrl05vCs=; b=BekSZt/29AS1IcpYDOcgjGnJ0IfsMihxbQLW1Z9Rsq4Bq6eYz8aXCqwv6hiOSlQ/h1 FauaVjPgCg50Esi+APVDRD09EI2J0AK0g98IQpcCZYf7eVweABeVhNVGptSYYUtdPZu1 AQLqeaEDAZHzhe4hbnIRxxB0KB9dondUIJmbvD59umClmWTHope1Jd4a763XRY4miIIq 8AW8IKs7N/jWN7insTXXBH0p+v2MjX97JziePORmoR1eSuX9ei0BQVLivz4kAURMyuXZ O0h4gxFg1UwYB41+sMqNXfBio4gkkLtlbo+3YH2aBBajcczXlQBIDd4uiIUkGFDCCgAB WLdQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:from:mime-version :subject:date:message-id:references:cc:in-reply-to:to; bh=L2kmWXAjdKEPtmkFEJZoyHMFeroT/ZVv9gctrl05vCs=; b=aVpvYh72Ms2IX9OBEI0Cm/ZQBrHRZqWqj5JmKQjF1rFhsTZpItSK0hRXyn0W2rN6xC MKoi9wx/i8M8MeRw20K4e5B0pwe1my+hqz38ggSCFgZI10CAzYKajfr1Bf2mH7K4qDvU VH8Y82Q/8xoxDNQ6n7fgprafyd/bj3y/fnJPLK/NunlF6ZDnLlmwwWs2z9c3dk7HOxof MFWGLgp2y0m/FhP6Rp1ZkKs16PN9CpC35iUjWScXIIdxBKqgLAHYfQA6uyyfXpSur5YV I2m+nh76DEQ1R8fbETyybXxnQcT6DrPSiCon3SsU+Iq4GmUgGxlK3/B76Y5tVA2uXdPH 7Ciw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5328EhJKC1drqLWZsuTpm3pPRK+Pn2xqW/FKhFR4mWEBnmS2AUA0 /Ik1bqaVn0L3XFwb9kJyNC+gww== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzaM00UEZL21BjEERR3Al+4onJ2hL4JsHGImXP5ds3b443noL1aeGIKwuVwrLeg3rOooh8h8Q== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:650:b0:2e1:e5cb:e47d with SMTP id a16-20020a05622a065000b002e1e5cbe47dmr20989570qtb.223.1647963957275; Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:45:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple ([2600:380:5039:8c1c:3172:18c5:cbaa:84cb]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o4-20020a05620a22c400b0067e02a697e0sm9665558qki.33.2022.03.22.08.45.56 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Mar 2022 08:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eric Voskuil Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 11:45:55 -0400 Message-Id: References: In-Reply-To: To: Billy Tetrud , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19D52) Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Speedy Trial X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2022 15:45:59 -0000 > > Even if it is not needed, it is kind of "free" if you take transaction s= ize into account >=20 > But it would require an on-chain transaction. We don't want 6 billion peop= le to have to send an on-chain transaction all in the same week in order to r= egister their preference on something. I haven=E2=80=99t followed this thread, so apologies if I=E2=80=99m missing s= ome context, but confirmed tx signaling remains miner signaling. Regardless, miners are the only actors who can create soft fork compatibilit= y, so theirs is the only relevant signal. Otherwise people can just fork the= mselves at any time using any voting mechanism they want. e=