From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1121BE4 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:27:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (homie.mail.dreamhost.com [208.97.132.208]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D101A20A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 16:27:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BE070406E; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=taoeffect.com; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; s=taoeffect.com; bh=a/IQWC8aaWOy5Fc00 ooCLykVv64=; b=pd2AcVOe8hvCEknC25sRgw+2re9F1i05PAOus0KGPsN7xMxYw 0kRVWYRQQLeGgJ4vSWAjKBdeFOBeqKJDbgFDGtrH+UwBlVIYP1bXbBnz031n7X12 5hXIQNm+14w8XprONLhnw4vuvK5NadseAyYlDbNf4g/3C7YKh2uqDBxUoE= Received: from [192.168.42.64] (184-23-255-227.fiber.dynamic.sonic.net [184.23.255.227]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: contact@taoeffect.com) by homiemail-a5.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21377704060; Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B89C65ED-1A38-4BE1-8884-DB1FFBCC0CDB"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Tao Effect In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2017 09:27:03 -0700 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 518545623.280181-5c1e19d3b67f6ae5943fac1233f64153 Message-Id: References: <31833011-7179-49D1-A07E-8FD9556C4534@taoeffect.com> To: Nick Johnson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:36:37 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Replay attacks make BIP148 and BIP149 untennable X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 16:27:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B89C65ED-1A38-4BE1-8884-DB1FFBCC0CDB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_895EF9D7-F629-4085-8C9C-6FFB3E58EB30" --Apple-Mail=_895EF9D7-F629-4085-8C9C-6FFB3E58EB30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Nick, > Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard = fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited. This sort of email is unhelpful to this conversation, and it certainly = doesn't help with the perception that Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of = hypocritical Bankers 2.0. Everyone knows you didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork, = which was re-branded as Ethereum, was edited. - Greg -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also = sharing with the NSA. > On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson > wrote: >=20 > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev = > wrote: > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev > > wrote: > > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is = not > > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of = experience > > with them. >=20 > Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were > pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically > in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing > their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized > administrators. >=20 > Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard = fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited. >=20 > -Nick Johnson --Apple-Mail=_895EF9D7-F629-4085-8C9C-6FFB3E58EB30 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Nick,

Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the = DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not = edited.

This sort of email is unhelpful to this = conversation, and it certainly doesn't help with the perception that = Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of hypocritical Bankers 2.0.

Everyone knows you = didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork, which was = re-branded as Ethereum, was edited.

- Greg

--
Please do not email me anything that you are not = comfortable also sharing with the NSA.

On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org> = wrote:

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via = bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at = 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev
<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>= wrote:
> I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is = not
> understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of = experience
> with them.

Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were
pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically
in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing
their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized
administrators.
  
Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the = DAO hard fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not = edited.

-Nick = Johnson

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