* [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? @ 2018-02-18 16:26 CANNON 2018-02-18 16:57 ` Austin Maier 2018-02-18 17:04 ` rhavar 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: CANNON @ 2018-02-18 16:26 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? - -- Cannon PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL =YqEM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? 2018-02-18 16:26 [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? CANNON @ 2018-02-18 16:57 ` Austin Maier 2018-02-18 17:04 ` rhavar 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Austin Maier @ 2018-02-18 16:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: CANNON, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 1682 bytes --] Effectively yes. The discount on weight applies to the witness data. On Feb 18, 2018 11:42 AM, "CANNON via bitcoin-dev" < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled > by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond > the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? > > > - -- > Cannon > PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 > Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info > > NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD > BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm > jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 > fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn > pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca > +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 > SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh > bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d > n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF > 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB > LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG > qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ > I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL > =YqEM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > [-- Attachment #2: Type: text/html, Size: 2440 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? 2018-02-18 16:26 [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? CANNON 2018-02-18 16:57 ` Austin Maier @ 2018-02-18 17:04 ` rhavar 2018-02-18 18:39 ` Eric Voskuil 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: rhavar @ 2018-02-18 17:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: CANNON; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion No, you are misunderstanding. The block size limit (1MB) has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit (4M weight). Bytes which must be sent to old clients are weighted at 4 units each which is what allows it to be a soft fork. So as such, there's not two separate limits or anything. P.S. what's up with your signature lol -Ryan -------- Original Message -------- On February 18, 2018 11:26 AM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled > by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond > the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? > > > >Cannon > PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 > Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info > > NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD > BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm > jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 > fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn > pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca > +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 > SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh > bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d > n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF > 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB > LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG > qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ > I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL > =YqEM > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >bitcoin-dev mailing list >bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? 2018-02-18 17:04 ` rhavar @ 2018-02-18 18:39 ` Eric Voskuil 2018-02-18 19:04 ` rhavar 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Voskuil @ 2018-02-18 18:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rhavar, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion As a soft fork, all preceding rules remain in effect. No rule has been “replaced”. Blocks must validate against pre-segwit rules or are invalid. Additional rules are applied that further restrict validity, and consider additional (witness) data in the context of the block. e > On Feb 18, 2018, at 09:04, Ryan Havar via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > No, you are misunderstanding. The block size limit (1MB) has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit (4M weight). Bytes which must be sent to old clients are weighted at 4 units each which is what allows it to be a soft fork. > > So as such, there's not two separate limits or anything. > > P.S. what's up with your signature lol > > > -Ryan > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> On February 18, 2018 11:26 AM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled >> by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond >> the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? >> >> >> >> Cannon >> PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 >> Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info >> >> NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD >> BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm >> jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 >> fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn >> pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca >> +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 >> SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh >> bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d >> n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF >> 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB >> LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG >> qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ >> I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL >> =YqEM >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? 2018-02-18 18:39 ` Eric Voskuil @ 2018-02-18 19:04 ` rhavar 2018-02-18 19:14 ` Eric Voskuil 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: rhavar @ 2018-02-18 19:04 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric Voskuil; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion > No rule has been “replaced”. It really has been. The code is no longer checks the size of a block, but the weight of it. For all intents and purposes the block size limits has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit. It's just been designed such that the new rule is more restrictive than the one it replaces. Now, I'm not doubting you can argue the semantics on the difference between "replacing with a more restrictive rule" and "leaving the existing rules, but adding a new one" -- but it's uninteresting and only serves to confuse novice's like CANNON into thinking that there are two rules/spaces/limits for transactions. -Ryan -------- Original Message -------- On February 18, 2018 1:39 PM, Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org> wrote: >As a soft fork, all preceding rules remain in effect. No rule has been “replaced”. Blocks must validate against pre-segwit rules or are invalid. Additional rules are applied that further restrict validity, and consider additional (witness) data in the context of the block. > > e > >>On Feb 18, 2018, at 09:04, Ryan Havar via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>No, you are misunderstanding. The block size limit (1MB) has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit (4M weight). Bytes which must be sent to old clients are weighted at 4 units each which is what allows it to be a soft fork. >>So as such, there's not two separate limits or anything. >>P.S. what's up with your signature lol >>-Ryan >> >>-------- Original Message -------- >>>On February 18, 2018 11:26 AM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>> Hash: SHA512 >>>I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled >>> by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond >>> the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? >>>Cannon >>> PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 >>> Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info >>>NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD >>> BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm >>> jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 >>> fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn >>> pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca >>> +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 >>> SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh >>> bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d >>> n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF >>> 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB >>> LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG >>> qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ >>> I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL >>> =YqEM >>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>bitcoin-dev mailing list >>>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>>https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >>bitcoin-dev mailing list >>bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Increased blockspace enabled by SegWit limited to just witness data? 2018-02-18 19:04 ` rhavar @ 2018-02-18 19:14 ` Eric Voskuil 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric Voskuil @ 2018-02-18 19:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: rhavar; +Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion If the new rule is more restrictive the original limit remains. e On Feb 18, 2018, at 11:04, rhavar@protonmail.com wrote: >> No rule has been “replaced”. > > It really has been. The code is no longer checks the size of a block, but the weight of it. For all intents and purposes the block size limits has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit. It's just been designed such that the new rule is more restrictive than the one it replaces. > > Now, I'm not doubting you can argue the semantics on the difference between "replacing with a more restrictive rule" and "leaving the existing rules, but adding a new one" -- but it's uninteresting and only serves to confuse novice's like CANNON into thinking that there are two rules/spaces/limits for transactions. > > > > -Ryan > > > > -------- Original Message -------- >> On February 18, 2018 1:39 PM, Eric Voskuil <eric@voskuil.org> wrote: >> >> As a soft fork, all preceding rules remain in effect. No rule has been “replaced”. Blocks must validate against pre-segwit rules or are invalid. Additional rules are applied that further restrict validity, and consider additional (witness) data in the context of the block. >> >> e >> >>> On Feb 18, 2018, at 09:04, Ryan Havar via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>> No, you are misunderstanding. The block size limit (1MB) has been replaced in favor of a block weight limit (4M weight). Bytes which must be sent to old clients are weighted at 4 units each which is what allows it to be a soft fork. >>> So as such, there's not two separate limits or anything. >>> P.S. what's up with your signature lol >>> -Ryan >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>> On February 18, 2018 11:26 AM, CANNON via bitcoin-dev bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org wrote: >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA512 >>>> I have a question in reference to the increased blockspace enabled >>>> by the segregated witness upgrade. Is this extra blockspace beyond >>>> the legacy 1 MB limit limited to just witness data? >>>> Cannon >>>> PGP Fingerprint: 2BB5 15CD 66E7 4E28 45DC 6494 A5A2 2879 3F06 E832 >>>> Email: cannon@cannon-ciota.info >>>> NOTICE: ALL EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE NOT SIGNED/ENCRYPTED WITH PGP SHOULD >>>> BE CONSIDERED POTENTIALLY FORGED, AND NOT PRIVATE. >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJaiajLAAoJEAYDai9lH2mwDbMQAKgJseZG9oOoP9WJlESFdAzm >>>> jLM69KLF4RVWDQjMWCtyVayyolXMLavW6fL4GL7/ztLYSl9Pz+FDlH3Qgo1GLDx4 >>>> fRUkmb0ApLBSAjmdqM+kWjgq3s6/oZaIkNxGeyK5SYY4QhF80Z42PWLBPKjAc7vn >>>> pe7Im13NwtyJiRuCmq4e1z6GmW86fFOKOsR4rlWcftHOFmH8Gz5d9KK9LbPqU6Ca >>>> +rde8yb+A9uXEv3O9MqeLId7FYSJixgzFGJosidVkAVQI7YZ0TAfG4HSwKjtqDz7 >>>> SW2Bs3nDeiCr2QN7Su9TUaoSN/yKTBOw5jnql9cNOYuf4GAG0MXWinmYP8MWCiqh >>>> bIrzvOnlZGapX/36Fpab67VDcFnXJJc8ofqYmn+oUoW/q7geQpu/V1oz+AR9nD/d >>>> n8wFxvZdRlTbq2XDXySaontxNH0rd80fSG5SJtO5Js9hK/vNG+Xa7Zc+76gEtvlF >>>> 5G1F6MOcsoXUDCnMteuNxaZx6TPML6RuWVmbR1wXOaX4qZ01p7AsjQlTIcrlVDsB >>>> LVGW70wjfETBCffn1JQvFmIK7NzggIUuYfLF0IrfM4BrTa/01RnmfBOpWGiIvyIG >>>> qZqKLYDbW7BDkc/HMtAonR/0t6bTUv/388USSnbMakO9bvih0xxIw4NWTyoSoef/ >>>> I+W6ny7qXt+pegLF4cYL >>>> =YqEM >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>>> >>> bitcoin-dev mailing list >>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >>> >> > ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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