From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76E7AC0001 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5657083EFB for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=tutanota.de Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SPdAKrMOxjUr for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from w1.tutanota.de (w1.tutanota.de [81.3.6.162]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B38D483658 for ; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from w3.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.164]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77384FA040A; Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1615969299; s=s1; d=tutanota.de; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=JzyIW3w/1fOxLWHOvakcw1jH+mdas7Tuqv/cdfH7YMg=; b=Ulgp4Cz9EzfGvmDKSBH/LbKttvM5uttu8dkPKle9sxZGxW95LxKj0xQ7mAvOHarb ExXJTExqKMW8BuKumaOvAbhblD3dLY8x1cXGEVwODPrFmfFsEP1K5rCJZFPeeY9lUm1 17DzGvDNIA9k2pXA2B0XmWKa8m8e/aBoRbIgQJHIsSD+0K1gE16CaomIkrrrb2SJVrR XO8zDejVLF6Yc11Rinoe3D/NNFNeLqzZ7N6/MC35EHpllsKr9120gNAh5cUHG3EWsBy VehrrcZw+m/p6BJeeZ+8ySvucLy1pMWFsOkm/Q7wNlE4H2raqpWzhfT0ufL+h6RqFJV oQNaCtNEmg== Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 09:21:39 +0100 (CET) From: Prayank To: emu@emuadmin.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_46413_1697096730.1615969299455" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 19:08:30 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation meeting on IRC - Tuesday 16th March 19:00 UTC X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:21:44 -0000 ------=_Part_46413_1697096730.1615969299455 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=C2=A0the last thing we need is a rushed upgrade Why do you think this is rushed? Speedy Trial will have few months and if U= ASF is required it won't involve activation immediately after ST fails. Tap= root by 2022 doesn't look rushed approach IMO. >=C2=A0We're not changing things that we worked out already.=C2=A0 Which things have we worked out that cannot be changed or not changed earli= er? > how long till we go back and change the coin supply? Coin supply has nothing to do with soft fork activation mechanism IMO. > I understand=C2=A0some of you have no patience and would like mass adopti= on tomorrow but=C2=A0those are exactly the people that do not have a say in= Bitcoin development. If you want to get rich quick you do not care about B= itcoin. Taproot activation or discussion about activation mechanism does not have 1= 00% correlation with mass adoption. It just improves Bitcoin and helps few = projects mentioned in=C2=A0https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Taproot_Uses Nobody is talking about get rich quick schemes in Taproot Activation relate= d meetings. At least I have not seen anyone. > If you=C2=A0want faster development=C2=A0cycles then you have lightning t= o play with. Better development cycles with less delay, less misinformation, less politi= cs, less probability of things being exploited by mining pools or other peo= ple, organization etc. with their influence. Lightning Network is a separat= e project focused on layer 2 and I think it will also benefit from Taproot. >=C2=A0we *DO NOT* change things we already established in the past Interested to know who is "we" in this sentence and what are the "things" t= hat cannot be changed. >=C2=A0In order to solve the LOT debate lets give Wladimir the power=C2=A0t= o decide on his own and if he has no strong opinions he should just flip a = coin. LOT has become LOL. If this is about Bitcoin Core maintainers deciding thin= gs for Bitcoin Core, sure they already do. But users have the freedom to de= cide if they want to run it with default settings or use other implementati= on. >=C2=A0MAST threshold can be even lower because it is not representative of= an economic majority=C2=A0and it could speed up the upgrade. Agree >=C2=A0At this point involve as few people as possible and get it done. Thi= s is just about the=C2=A0software and the parameters of the new consesus. Everyone should be welcome to participate in meetings, ask questions, learn= more and contribute. I don't see anything wrong with it. --=20 Prayank ------=_Part_46413_1697096730.1615969299455 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> the last thing we need is<= /span>
a rushed upgrade

Why do you think this is r= ushed? Speedy Trial will have few months and if UASF is required it won't i= nvolve activation immediately after ST fails. Taproot by 2022 doesn't look = rushed approach IMO.

> We're not changing things that we worked out alread= y. 

Which things have we worked out that cannot be changed= or not changed earlier?

> how long ti= ll we go back and change the coin supply?

Coin= supply has nothing to do with soft fork activation mechanism IMO.

> I understand some of you h= ave no patience and would like mass adoption tomorrow but those are exactly the people that do not have a say in Bitcoin dev= elopment. If you want to get rich quick you do not care about Bitcoin.
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Taproot activation or discussion about activation = mechanism does not have 100% correlation with mass adoption. It just improv= es Bitcoin and helps few projects mentioned in https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Taproot_Uses

Nobody is talking about get rich quick schemes in Ta= proot Activation related meetings. At least I have not seen anyone.

> If you want faster deve= lopment cycles then you have lightning to play wi= th.

Better development cycles with less delay,= less misinformation, less politics, less probability of things being explo= ited by mining pools or other people, organization etc. with their influenc= e. Lightning Network is a separate project focused on layer 2 and I think i= t will also benefit from Taproot.

> we *DO NOT* change things we already established in the pas= t

Inter= ested to know who is "we" in this sentence and what are the "things" that c= annot be changed.

> In order to solve the LOT debate lets give Wladimir th= e power to decide on his own and if he has no str= ong opinions he should just flip a coin.

LOT h= as become LOL. If this is about Bitcoin Core maintainers deciding things fo= r Bitcoin Core, sure they already do. But users have the freedom to decide = if they want to run it with default settings or use other implementation.

> MAST threshold can = be even lower because it is not representative of an economic majority and it could speed up the upgrade.

=
Agree

> A= t this point involve as few people as possible and get it done. This is jus= t about the software and the parameters of the ne= w consesus.

Everyone should be welcome to part= icipate in meetings, ask questions, learn more and contribute. I don't see = anything wrong with it.

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