From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 009FEC0032 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABFAD41758 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:41 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org ABFAD41758 Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fm3 header.b=cyGbXMGL X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZPYPcgTCZuVo for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B54A341748 for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org B54A341748 Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 996CF5C0305; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:35:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1698075335; x=1698161735; bh=0qBiUE0iCL9Mo r+WwD4w2uEWMzwJsKxrIDLaSnrjx1o=; b=cyGbXMGLqw2MX8P3ff+0Z/LjGr0Mp HQnYwUfDmc8kyXTmwPUSFEtiX8q68wknCip9d+VT/d9PuarGV5Ia3uPgdQRQ7A+1 qDlqRH2SVML9oTpe+5itWBMZLNvsWD1A0Ni+GtDqFsb67Ccylgl1my7wIeH3OulW /W8GIiRsOVjB0rGIiKKD3nrWkNTgUNg4FGoX+Zp1eG5h1/jwXTgXAC9XsQMyP94M FrXSmC6a64SCTRtvb5OAp1BCR1BtZTegU4OL6BZYacENEer88/1gI50RoJnUKRah qI3nImwMX+T/H8fTQuPnNRs/nhZVGSwlwU/P0n9Y/8l93UvnqEb7jwDzw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrkeeigdeklecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvdenucfhrhhomheprfgvthgvrhcu vfhougguuceophgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrh hnpeeivddvleeikeejueekgfdtleefgeehheelffeuheetgefhleevjeefleegvefffeen ucffohhmrghinhepphgvthgvrhhtohguugdrohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpe dtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhhtohguugdrohhr gh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 11:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8695F5F86B; Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:30 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: Casey Rodarmor , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="y7B4wTehDKwCtzj8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinals BIP PR X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2023 15:35:42 -0000 --y7B4wTehDKwCtzj8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Oct 20, 2023 at 10:38:01PM -0700, Casey Rodarmor via bitcoin-dev wr= ote: > Dear List, >=20 > The Ordinals BIP PR has been sitting open for nine months now[0]. I've > commented a few times asking the BIP editors to let me know what is needed > for the BIP to either be merged or rejected. I've also reached out to the > BIP editors via DM and email, but haven't received a response. >=20 > There has been much misunderstanding of the nature of the BIP process. > BIPS, in particular informational BIPs, are a form of technical > documentation, and their acceptance does not indicate that they will be > included in any implementation, including Bitcoin Core, nor that they they > have consensus among the community. >=20 > Preexisting BIPs include hard-fork block size increases, hard-fork > proof-of-work changes, colored coin voting protocols, rejected soft fork > proposals, encouragement of address reuse, and drivechain. I have _not_ requested a BIP for OpenTimestamps, even though it is of much wider relevance to Bitcoin users than Ordinals by virtue of the fact that m= uch of the commonly used software, including Bitcoin Core, is timestamped with = OTS. I have not, because there is no need to document every single little protoc= ol that happens to use Bitcoin with a BIP. Frankly we've been using BIPs for too many things. There is no avoiding the= act that BIP assignment and acceptance is a mark of approval for a protocol. Th= us we should limit BIP assignment to the minimum possible: _extremely_ widespr= ead standards used by the _entire_ Bitcoin community, for the core mission of Bitcoin. It's notable that Lightning is _not_ standardized via the BIP process. I th= ink that's a good thing. While it's arguably of wide enough use to warrent BIPs, Lightning doesn't need the approval of Core maintainers, and using their separate BOLT process makes that clear. --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --y7B4wTehDKwCtzj8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE0RcYcKRzsEwFZ3N5Lly11TVRLzcFAmU2krcACgkQLly11TVR Lzecbg//ZkwbnEqpcPlnRgqVF3/1U0s8EXBBseuhOqpyowxQ3RSGc+hsv/31mofE IE3CkccmFleHK1ro1DIFFj+HpDBqq0hG4UuYcFBrG4+LtF4SJUO3vhG8Zq7Ml9KL qCHKpoaxxhRI6rpbqvKPSt31uOhVfAahevT1hcGV22NCTnNEqauST3k41W7QviTA tjBd2fkMiZMY9Y9ivupfk6D1agSmovp9yuOrsjDD5e5oNiVUs1tDrsdH34XpW5Hk aybzNXR1G3XcfIGC/9RYBO9KwFKZ/tafcGwzXo9qc3OozUfInmPc49fn8G0GrxTo +wi+Rf0c1Qadc40jbDMoeUXQAOgCJ/7sFFDk2hF6LlJrig582NHH3T4giR2Mgn7F 1sg7mNxExj2a/ObX2UwQnMYTbAVScuT9BMqJY9Die7Oe204x5TdwqwZsBqafkQzZ K/T9D9tXgVmPh9C7X2/0cXXChe1BaakNLe8ZcJfzRfZx22PbE0MyT7JpIpWxoL5l fIcrVE9LgJbmhhazmGAnRQ/sXrIxWW26wjYz9HdHzJiEqJE/cizdsWYJSYVrsJoC ZHGoQQkskMjvTlDE1wQoZo26tebIypwZROEqq2Ej7wGAXGg8kUQDuDnptUZuX1V/ 98QdR9Ho1zQ3/BR/BjJVtq8QMKXktkLSX6DpGMKTJQacE1BFCGs= =8SMb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --y7B4wTehDKwCtzj8--