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From: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
To: Tim Ruffing <crypto@timruffing.de>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinals BIP PR
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTriqvhah23jBSFW@petertodd.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5f1ba40e6b853851112652b0da8eb7d35369af82.camel@timruffing.de>

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On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 06:32:47PM +0200, Tim Ruffing wrote:
> On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 15:35 +0000, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
> > Thus
> > we should limit BIP assignment to the minimum possible: _extremely_
> > widespread
> > standards used by the _entire_ Bitcoin community, for the core
> > mission of
> > Bitcoin.
> 
> BIPs are Bitcoin Improvement *Proposals*. What you suggest would imply

BIPs being proposals is itself part of the problem. Note how RFCs have a Draft
RFC system to avoid giving numbers for absolutely every idea.

> that someone needs to evaluate them even before they become proposals.
> And this raises plenty of notoriously hard to answers questions:
>  * Who is in charge?
>  * How to predict if a proposal will be a widespread standard?
>  * What is the core mission of Bitcoin?
>  * How to measure if something is for the core mission?
>  * Who and what is the _entire_ Bitcoin community?

...and we still face those problems with the current BIPs system. In particular
the "Who is in charge?" problem. BIPs are always going to be a centralized
system.

-- 
https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org

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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-26 22:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-21  5:38 [bitcoin-dev] Ordinals BIP PR Casey Rodarmor
2023-10-23 13:45 ` Andrew Poelstra
2023-10-23 15:35 ` Peter Todd
2023-10-23 16:32   ` Tim Ruffing
2023-10-26 22:05     ` Peter Todd [this message]
2023-10-23 17:43   ` Andrew Poelstra
2023-10-23 18:29     ` Luke Dashjr
2023-10-24  1:28       ` alicexbt
2023-10-24 22:56       ` Olaoluwa Osuntokun
2023-10-24 23:08         ` Christopher Allen
2023-10-25  0:15         ` Luke Dashjr
2023-10-26 22:11         ` Peter Todd
2023-10-27  9:39           ` Alexander F. Moser
2023-10-27 17:05           ` alicexbt
2023-11-09  2:15       ` Casey Rodarmor
2023-11-09 22:32         ` Claus Ehrenberg
2023-10-23 14:57 Léo Haf
2023-10-23 17:26 ` Ryan Breen
2023-11-20 22:20 vjudeu
2023-11-21 12:13 ` Kostas Karasavvas
2023-11-21 23:10 vjudeu
2023-11-22 11:27 ` Kostas Karasavvas

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