From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7396AC0032 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1CF6FCB9 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org 4F1CF6FCB9 Authentication-Results: smtp3.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fm3 header.b=lEKQ+8Ed X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp3.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp3.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dh6sa93J1opq for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com (out4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.28]) by smtp3.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F29A66FCA9 for ; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:34 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp3.osuosl.org F29A66FCA9 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40C95C0239; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:05:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1698357931; x=1698444331; bh=2rljv1+M25Ix0 jfo74LQsbhvbEb1fT9He2kD6G7IUac=; b=lEKQ+8EdmcLsnVoFbwWkcbI2acGIU E+RE4G8sAtFX2eWU89vR0e4lRo4bG5jQro86zucUGZoYphwn0/NCjcdBPLwbPTfM B+gOJJMuiVuXFYkmDkCnwYgDy3OhKhWZbDYOXa6rXdYU7JctALRBb4Q+xYdbZfHK D+K2kzA+KBuso0CCUwTGGFR6xsQk3kpO59pctGannCFJ81Fh6TFhKBwCd7stAwpv 3NY/cZC8QaOEGN3xIxirlsgQfW+dqH9VlAf0rsZx8B1E+AAzGd5G/ABNbLj0u+18 U6Xj/C6UlD5GuwdzxKXyPgGbfKtb75haE70sTtUApavA+lmTu2tnM72yw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrleefgddtiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkfhggtggujgesghdtre ertddtvdenucfhrhhomheprfgvthgvrhcuvfhougguuceophgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthho uggurdhorhhgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeelvdellefftddukeduffejgfefjeeuhe eileeftdfgteduteeggeevueethfejtdenucffohhmrghinhepphgvthgvrhhtohguugdr ohhrghenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpe hpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhhtohguugdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 18:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0DD525F97F; Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:30 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:30 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: Tim Ruffing Message-ID: References: <5f1ba40e6b853851112652b0da8eb7d35369af82.camel@timruffing.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zY8RZdFhdyu765aX" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5f1ba40e6b853851112652b0da8eb7d35369af82.camel@timruffing.de> Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinals BIP PR X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2023 22:05:36 -0000 --zY8RZdFhdyu765aX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 23, 2023 at 06:32:47PM +0200, Tim Ruffing wrote: > On Mon, 2023-10-23 at 15:35 +0000, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Thus > > we should limit BIP assignment to the minimum possible: _extremely_ > > widespread > > standards used by the _entire_ Bitcoin community, for the core > > mission of > > Bitcoin. >=20 > BIPs are Bitcoin Improvement *Proposals*. What you suggest would imply BIPs being proposals is itself part of the problem. Note how RFCs have a Dr= aft RFC system to avoid giving numbers for absolutely every idea. > that someone needs to evaluate them even before they become proposals. > And this raises plenty of notoriously hard to answers questions: > * Who is in charge? > * How to predict if a proposal will be a widespread standard? > * What is the core mission of Bitcoin? > * How to measure if something is for the core mission? > * Who and what is the _entire_ Bitcoin community? =2E..and we still face those problems with the current BIPs system. In part= icular the "Who is in charge?" problem. BIPs are always going to be a centralized system. --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --zY8RZdFhdyu765aX Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE0RcYcKRzsEwFZ3N5Lly11TVRLzcFAmU64qcACgkQLly11TVR Lzef0g//fXNK9F0L2ywmCNvXoh0m2IWXR/8wH9SlJNGpop6lazLj4dy4k+NJGCzt Favfk8eTTJZ38q/LTNebkCB2iaS6H3Hg0TGmM8URcekttM+kRf2/MSfGexV/+9/1 4Po5pRBp8HPl9JTxrVbEbOdzmt50zJBxewo1SXhKLq/zehTDcNRuQnRv0yMRCTAc pBunHgpdQh2Fb4LYfhZ3tQEK0QZBcQTrPvD0SroE81CNpVysPPcEMLFMng6ol0zg BwYXmcq6Tny+G+ISG32SAsZte9CylN8eo6OToRkF2xDWstQFeO/RahFoSYfjhjxz AbsRo+9RhCDFXIqgEhPQpNsNsGuxyGQiVja4KAX8R6K1/kxnaxOzkoEkXTetie2L p/bR5MPusjY2CH8sR15cNIRikleOk9nfZj4fqtYG+4rX3SPg4R3Uw098roE/LI01 VH9XvYnJpp1PWshv3sKuGOuQijEoIjIfR9yt7gdChF4y0SE1G9J6I3Ci/kQcZ1JJ OitfI8jZilYdY0FMButkIold0ii6BBlcpw9KG4w2xsUBuY7EtD6tFFuKlR9DRUpp zTP19eTyCs/21mukRujQ34L/MlE2cn88LrAvGmlAD1Llb15AZyUSs6NeoDIpNjCm kzoI5FzjDnyWQa9UfBl/dL8wIH6RHRKZqVdvXbiVZH7+SJqBoPA= =A6xC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zY8RZdFhdyu765aX--