From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA55C0032 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D5C4044C for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 45D5C4044C Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key, unprotected) header.d=messagingengine.com header.i=@messagingengine.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=fm3 header.b=Gf9Ucq+u X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZN0vDyg70RDJ for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.20]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF67E401B7 for ; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org CF67E401B7 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFCD3320094C; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:07:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 07 Nov 2023 18:07:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:content-type:date:date :feedback-id:feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; t=1699398429; x=1699484829; bh=QTRNW2tx/aEFa 9gDAVo3B/BsOETFc9diIBdh8ZyJHDc=; b=Gf9Ucq+u/x+CXg3kyh14o0bLA8RmL fkynhjuWzs+6eA5qu3/iBZ89k7CmkYeD+ovyQoUcYDi+KuiTpT2O62mjLRu4clwt +wN25U/pqNKiErIrDLboWji45uQR7ysVjpjuMZmKU27JI74wvMtmwbFpXixHyKEr FB/1FOn/vy8FVbxC4rilNzg3fMDRVsdWenRXgyTl7AnLH9309/eDegDV18Dvy+M6 2TfzWoBRa3rtIMmttVLA/628cmgs6++mLMhWp9ObETauqt/lEl56lIK4LtRAxkCG xATz0oqkOON1M9JkCJtpgzVZG/2YItSuGf2n6v4CZ950tIfq8wDfGvrRg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedruddukedgtdeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtuggjsehgtd orredttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefrvghtvghrucfvohguugcuoehpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhht ohguugdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepuddtffelkeeitdefgfetfeejhfffie ffveelgedthfeufeefjeevleejkeefhfeinecuffhomhgrihhnpehpvghtvghrthhouggu rdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomh epphgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 18:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5A8DD5F81E; Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:07 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2023 23:07:07 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: Ademan , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="hq9ntTJtjwjMDQlt" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Future of the bitcoin-dev mailing list X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2023 23:07:12 -0000 --hq9ntTJtjwjMDQlt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 07, 2023 at 11:03:30AM -0600, Ademan via bitcoin-dev wrote: > Hi Bryan, >=20 > I don't really want my first (and last?) devlist message to be a fairly > off-the-cuff post on this topic, but here we go anyway. >=20 > At the risk of sounding like a nostr evangelist (I promise I'm not), I wa= nt > to suggest nostr as a potential replacement to the mailing list. A decent > chunk of software would need to be written, but none of the alternatives > seem particularly attractive to me. I particularly dislike the idea of > locking into a single siloed forum service like the bitcointalk forums. I > realize I may be in the minority of course. Strong NACK on nostr. It's a badly designed, centralized, protocol that nee= ds a significant redesign to be usable. While off topic for this mailing list, s= ome of its many issues include: * Reliance on single-key, cryptography that often results in people having their keys compromised. This is a serious problem in the context of bitcoin-dev, where faked messages published could easily have market-movi= ng results. * Inability to mirror relays: since nostr deliberately ignores the lessons = of blockchains, there is no way to be sure that you have a complete set of messages from a given person, for a given topic, etc. * Highly centralized design: since mirroring relays isn't reliable, in real= ity nostr operates in a highly centralized fashion, dependent on a tiny numbe= r of relays that can't be easily replaced if taken down. --=20 https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org --hq9ntTJtjwjMDQlt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE0RcYcKRzsEwFZ3N5Lly11TVRLzcFAmVKwxkACgkQLly11TVR LzdTthAAuHQo0xbUJeQMQGlMXLt1oNCUSMtO6hFhh27O9fGwcB+mKlf2oE0RbNqj ZQ3z2qeB3LkfH3JzgfgJAphPcJrzlJAY/Iup1lYWgNPs4iv6Vn0gTZBSxJ0Qz9Um Je2ltG24mFyxoSkGjgrU0RaZ96LrsiU+QC+T32vETJT36I8mPJPLgik4LjZK/4/I Q+3H2TkLHLgbP/+URA44YsOyk64Q/A+gRxKGr/48Ga0Xku0XSYxjvZuo97ldoZp1 AbYR9FTSiXpAZgJXYApd1uFjKV+gHLNlhtwhjQRUVZK0ZlP8Hzgvhljt5guG2yPk d14C5iX3BMcGAnJNqRDKcmwWm0/sC1reXDPE4tTwkHpLE97rYvODw1BQpXR+V+RN l/zkmoJ2RuuimhQufvcM+S95IrD/eYp0lhL057IUHVQYRt2cOLCktMzWN54bYrte jjU+yrqxf+Htvgztw8FhAodFVndl85me93xICjI4GFQXkmwkoEyMQSO80d05s8NY 0Y3bEKNz6mc6e63JRwMRg1kD415qtcl6V8gsUowsxIQlq4ziVqgRiyn/pSqV5y8k ae0XuLFJLY4eNnb4qLcSY2q5UMPJ84MfmibpPfncrDHmlYF7xSPVCRrwIAwYSrzn QZclTCAjV70WCqaBE2L0Ms8h83/9egsFFi01mXh972jXIMZCFZ8= =Lo50 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --hq9ntTJtjwjMDQlt--