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Harding" Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] RBFR makes the CPFP carve-out obsolete with cluster mempool, without upgrading LN nodes; TRUC/V3 does not Message-ID: References: <0eeb34c87b4cd7c9165983dc3a613550@dtrt.org> <6c222c758e10e8061ccdcc180b1826a3@dtrt.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="l9GYZYVe6stwkzM2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6c222c758e10e8061ccdcc180b1826a3@dtrt.org> X-Original-Sender: pete@petertodd.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=s0ROJdGe; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.151 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@petertodd.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --l9GYZYVe6stwkzM2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 12:08:28PM -1000, David A. Harding wrote: > > Frankly, unless you can point to actual "significant discussion and > > analysis" > > of the idea, it's dishonest and toxic of you to portray it as such as > > you > > should know better. > > I'm sorry you've been unable to keep up with protocol development and > are confusing that for me being dishonest and toxic. May I suggest you > subscribe to the weekly Optech newsletter? It's free. Ironically, while toxicly and dishonestly accusing me of being "unable to keep up with protocol developments", you proved I was in fact quite aware of imbued TRUC around the same time it got it's mention in Optech, and was even involved in the short discussion of it. Anyway, I'll stand by my earlier comment: the fact is the imbued TRUC proposals are currently dead, and never received significant discussion and analysis. I did forget about the fact that a draft pull-req was made. But that pull-req was a mere draft and the author has abandoned it without responding to critique, and only a few weeks after authoring it, even said on Feb 28 that "I would also prefer to not merge the imbued v3 patch.": https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29319#issuecomment-1969122250 ...and one of the LN maintainers queried explicitly argued against it, saying, among other things, "I'm not a fan of merging hacky, temporary code into bitcoin core to be honest.": https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/29319#issuecomment-1968709925 Notice how that's an issue where I commented something like a half dozen times, including after the author of imbued TRUC gave up on it. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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