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[103.168.172.148]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 00721157ae682-66951a90fadsi1186877b3.1.2024.07.20.08.08.15 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 20 Jul 2024 08:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.148 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.168.172.148; Received: from compute6.internal (compute6.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailfout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A6E1380110; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute6.internal (MEProxy); Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:08:15 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeftddrheefgdekgecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtuggjsehgtderredttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefrvghtvghr ucfvohguugcuoehpvghtvgesphgvthgvrhhtohguugdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvg hrnhepledvleelffdtudekudffjefgfeejueehieelfedtgfetudetgeegveeutefhjedt necuffhomhgrihhnpehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivg eptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdho rhhg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 11:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 596545F83F; Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:08:10 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2024 15:08:10 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: /dev /fd0 Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: A "Free" Relay Attack Taking Advantage of The Lack of Full-RBF In Core Message-ID: References: <18a5e5a2-92b3-4345-853d-5a63b71d848bn@googlegroups.com> <9c4c2a65-2c87-47f1-85d1-137c32099fb7n@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="6+49SABjgeVjLJAD" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Original-Sender: pete@petertodd.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm3 header.b=FMJCkXeU; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.148 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@petertodd.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --6+49SABjgeVjLJAD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 10:57:40PM -0700, /dev /fd0 wrote: > Hi Antoine, > > > I'm interested if you can propose a formal or mathematical definition of > what constitute > > an in-topic of off-topic comments on a matters like full RBF, which has > been controversial > > for like a decade. > > I will quote _willcl-ark_'s last comment as I do not have enough > permissions in bitcoin core repository to moderate comments: > > "However the comments section here has become difficult to follow due to > numerous off-topic comments, a few personal disagreements, and repetition > of arguments. In the interest of having a more productive and focused > technical and philosophical discussion we are going to close and lock this > PR." > > A new pull request should help reviewers. If you do not agree with it, feel > free to discuss it with moderators in bitcoin core IRC channel. It's quite bizzare to use "off topic comments" as an excuse to close a pull-req fixing a specific security vulnerability, assuming you actually care about that vulnerability. As I've said elsewhere, Core could have easily and quietly merged that pull-req as-is, possibly by having a few people write some obvious ACK rationals. The only good explanation for closing it is to further delay merging the pull-req, as well as disclosing the vulnerability. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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