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[103.168.172.155]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d2e1a72fcca58-718da484ca0si38380b3a.3.2024.09.06.03.49.53 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 06 Sep 2024 03:49:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.155 as permitted sender) client-ip=103.168.172.155; Received: from phl-compute-03.internal (phl-compute-03.phl.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailfhigh.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE082114036A; Fri, 6 Sep 2024 06:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-01 ([10.202.2.162]) by phl-compute-03.internal (MEProxy); Fri, 06 Sep 2024 06:49:52 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeftddrudeiuddgfeefucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfu rfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnh htshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepfffhvfevuffkfhggtggujgesghdtreertddtvden ucfhrhhomheprfgvthgvrhcuvfhougguuceophgvthgvsehpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorh hgqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeugffgueekuddtleeggeeggfffiedtffdvleeuteeu gedvffetvdeluddugfetleenucffohhmrghinhepghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdhlihhnuh igfhhouhhnuggrthhiohhnrdhorhhgpdhpvghtvghrthhouggurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhs thgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgvthgvsehpvghtvg hrthhouggurdhorhhgpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedvpdhmohguvgepshhmthhpohhuthdp rhgtphhtthhopegrnhhtohhinhgvrdhrihgrrhgusehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdhrtghpth htohepsghithgtohhinhguvghvsehgohhoghhlvghgrhhouhhpshdrtghomh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i525146e8:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Fri, 6 Sep 2024 06:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id B83A95F828; Fri, 6 Sep 2024 10:49:52 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2024 10:49:52 +0000 From: Peter Todd To: Antoine Riard Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Proposal to upgrade the transaction relay protocol to a new version Message-ID: References: <3c384b8e-fc91-4c30-95de-6856721e3318n@googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ChOs8Zq1DcojmCz4" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3c384b8e-fc91-4c30-95de-6856721e3318n@googlegroups.com> X-Original-Sender: pete@petertodd.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@messagingengine.com header.s=fm1 header.b=mkg7YwMU; spf=pass (google.com: domain of pete@petertodd.org designates 103.168.172.155 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@petertodd.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) --ChOs8Zq1DcojmCz4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline On Thu, Sep 05, 2024 at 03:49:55PM -0700, Antoine Riard wrote: > Hi list, > > Opened a BIP draft proposing to introduce an upgrade of the transaction > relay protocol by introducing a new node bit service: > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1663 > > For the movitations, see this old email thread from 2021: > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-February/018391.html Your BIP is really incomplete without a discussion of what clients make use of unannounced tx messages, their goals for doing it, and how they are expected to achieve those goals once all nodes discontinue unannounced tx messages. It seems to me that implementing wallets with good UX could become a lot more difficult if this change results in it taking significantly longer for a tx to be broadcast. I don't know if it will. But you need to address this issue. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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