From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFF2A1750 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:03:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ed1-f67.google.com (mail-ed1-f67.google.com [209.85.208.67]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB6FF604 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:03:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ed1-f67.google.com with SMTP id a15so9857218edt.6 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:03:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language; bh=XHHZ7Sm4NoXr2zRnmTTCTTxxmAcLAXVwuIMrq4F9tV0=; b=go/fGm6jyqeVoBV9UAWA/hwITfNcopQs1YZ4XvJPDobEDlbYpke9Eo5dG4YE3zg0F6 x/9O81sMJpl6qSpAdn7a7QZDFei2ZccoO26FcrEcK3ekL+tL0jKzdD8GuivAa3HU+Jkd ODYFsIPWzYiIVAjAwzqAgeDry3ydTR/9DqKmpY99Nk78R9+u71c/tm/ksUXetCZccfhD prKbCh2OcwZZzycvxdvTsm/4L6V1Q1dwSOZvTeRCVQ6a4u7iufzP6t4u7jYP8Wpi1geL j7eUXn5tdaIJU8QSSnyYFkWnNEhRpOps+okJ7O2taWq84OaUa7g7baVfTMQKJ54rHUBV 8iyQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVWocnCV7GOfP/NoZn3PYGwnshNG3XvEz2CZ7cbnrtFoOl7h7gP F5psAk4GEV9v4ZOsQbfqgkeSQGTY X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwkWBAKuV0hBc7XzySiFq78UCKEtlWJmZyqfWfeICKN8IMTEjY1mXMo0wQVu7pHqBl28FD5kw== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:cc90:: with SMTP id oq16mr15702255ejb.322.1570827827258; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:03:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2a02:8108:8200:1c80:49ba:b672:dfd5:ee34? ([2a02:8108:8200:1c80:49ba:b672:dfd5:ee34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r18sm1707042edx.94.2019.10.11.14.03.46 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:03:46 -0700 (PDT) To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org References: <58e44347-6eee-a0c3-3b8a-965c7450780e@emilengler.com> <6fe67006-7131-a861-61fa-65392d5be069@riseup.net> <20824fa5-e3fa-8d4e-1678-4c2048b49b6b@emilengler.com> From: Emil Engler Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 23:03:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------EBC4864C45FA6CFE7FC6DF79" Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Oct 2019 01:31:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIPable-idea: Consistent and better definition of the term 'address' X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 21:03:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------EBC4864C45FA6CFE7FC6DF79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > This may not be the most practical information, but there actually did = exist an almost perfect analogy for Bitcoin addresses from the ancient wo= rld: From wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulla_(seal) I personally do not like the term bulla, it might be a perfect analogy but I personally don't believe that this term is well known. Tbh I didn't knew what a 'bulla' was before. > I propose Funding Codes. I'm neutral on this. With code I associate something that is slightly more permanent like a code to unlock your mobile phone or a code to unlock your bike if you know what I mean. These kind of codes change sometimes but not as often as a bitcoin address (should). I also agree that Payment Tokens might confuse with other currencies and block chain. >=20 > - Invoices are problematic because they imply that they hold bitcoins a= nd they specify an amount. However addresses don't specify any amounts wh= ile they themselves can be included inside a real invoice. I think it is = wrong to imply that the "thing" we are sending money to is temporary, bec= ause it isn't. Lightning channels can stay open forever until closed but = money doesn't stay in an invoice for any amount of time. What is with 'Bitcoin Invoice Address'? This is the best of both worlds because it implies the temporary factor with 'invoice' and the way that you send something to something. Also, this is more a personal opinion but I thunk that 'funding' implies more to donate to something. I think this could lead to misunderstandings= =2E To summarize it up, here are the following suggested terms: * Invoice ID * Payment Token * Bitcoin invoice (address) * Bitcoin invoice (path) * Bulla * Funding code Greetings, Emil Engler --------------EBC4864C45FA6CFE7FC6DF79 Content-Type: application/pgp-keys; name="pEpkey.asc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="pEpkey.asc" -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- mQINBFybu/QBEADwXuxSgFWERsEvMfFxPW7wWOpFUnzVbUTcuyadiL8Cdd+ht3zo cakr8R7F1HrE75HyyDK5bn/Hlm3uD9k4yNHJBSouCR8Ueiri8Vh3N/QzcmBfqZGf JGtD+SW+BVZxXBX32FBkPrLHNanNq2I/utawQXM90fLUzD62LYm8SgaGl3RAnSki MYKeCtuk2yrrua2EY9KDud/SJ1stHXECF6qCm2aoT4fhnn/3AGZqaBSwoU4MqBsI 496fFuYXBPZnKXgak47aIK5nmv4TAYLKadOxKePBpoJDjV7e8isDHSRlveh8tTsO QZ7rsWBJnT1pO1SwFyuLwreQtNlyzXx4YVlWHLNdIQiGjnUiJS08YkA702hPxOUT QMx2MosN4zRsD6C6QBZud68tRdI05bhsQ+7/s2E+kIyBYqi6fCJVz/WSQHLA6st4 o7L10dCYyLTZZh4+aNaWBHW5rE4gTIdKSnLzmPJJ/mPFLH2n4bEUQTaRi08ClNWI uVDls3xcQJ1HKWNDk6iTdDNlecbQ8sc31/pXRv9JS/Gsj8PmA/3plQSuSTGyxYGq Tt0zd+bYMFCI+Qm64Qv1DZaIE4I0cLAnB4yQVUVjgrdNbjnCivlfL9yc+p4AKQ7K 65UgV089R5mMUrZycVFlsKW4Nihuc81qZ1lSAWJvZloJflrfjgYu25b7UQARAQAB tB9FbWlsIEVuZ2xlciA8bWVAZW1pbGVuZ2xlci5jb20+iQJUBBMBCAA+FiEE82Xm VEpcmrEyk0LUL21BRcVfx8cFAlybu/QCGwMFCRLMAwAFCwkIBwIGFQoJCAsCBBYC AwECHgECF4AACgkQL21BRcVfx8fj/Q/9Hik5TAVznP0VXxEPY3QMVPJYuNBOtGAq LIZmpL1T27Ov4b3nksrUNEtVhf2UIhLCJ/bgO1dULSkPnedGbBhnF+WTgG5ekTnH rxdAali8QUBsuhpE3JFfNlJYHXa7aWuk3OCfdvEJAQ+MzjQXSyto70EeHfqaVYXC hw7DwSd0LtKLMAi5NQZw/P8luhA0K8qNJP5JLyB2HlySZMJHE11g/0m0kSl4pH5k qi0QUHNzdNgp7mieEFObKcLp/7SFnZ50k5Ts3ESvIgH04Scjr+Ww+sUfj0rgenJr GBefK0HIe3yWswLpENaZbep43wDMw+j68XGLXxEDlzCNXwRAXZp90u6kP2pHwg+Z RC52UzEDpPlhh5Y0t+kjZXyFhS0oj0YQpn5Kf8y5y1Qipw2fKyiEwoB54lVmefmQ XdV5pLpiafmw7boNXo176rBtWWiS+PmhSpxY/fOtU3Xq/RYw4DnsWdms2FGXEX3/ x4CWP3j9YIuClcJ8oiVFdLGnPbDw6jLP5lX/SEbAS4JBHo/gq0nr51JLa+NRtQOi fHMoIuUTwMcoohWejF1LL6shBP7k9fqu92i62d/wVIW8oMPL/rLbwtQBnKR9aWxS oEmEuDMVTYRzRNV9N5xSlbkgmmZi1Zp9edFdQvV4gSP3fvI6+NORPOc03nA84A2U lDi0gmetU565Ag0EXJu79AEQAMF2/v8dMV1dSOmQLMTCpePJuSa6aPWO+8x+tNsc sVvudzHTePVppNHs10+Vha6L9jirMhofFsBmH73TsgvTafHQRTMUAzHFXRqinZSB ClfwxbWMmXiXhcv3qqRy8Icfs2WhLOrC1TnFiEh77GeNHelO4HzEEe9HmRQ917Xd k+gIdf5RDkeoyYrSG4bMlG4CKAslNEAJeZuQnsoE1b4bt3LvDvQesXPhQMrG8LOa oHpelnkVRTZhmYlzWVhlbfNowyL33dojcPOetHN9LtMe8ynZIgKqKOhNcOuo8GeK B9tNRRsJTylDN/Lzd9H/LQKv3k/LQQhC1DNHtl/W3iA2yXmg6u7uOP6o2rJMhIfo w1uBW2z5YZM8Abd7GKNZqnbGYC2SMIO4Y73ECX9HKvkpal+Yd5dUy7KEd+8y1hMl +2tGi0DrYOkKk1pDQBR2CGe2g5++NWKw3lGCVcM9v7twV3VXOo5h7s0zDbiD3xnI 4REdXKBZgJE36g4YQ9ntUED9lE5B3JxvGcKqKpBxG8KvXzmPZYnrzaSSrcGHgQIc DlHMaOHwx0oJlLF/ZOp+fSFB17uHMacRjqtFqARk7wGXBR0YThepKFjZtpC/i7qR +TJa8ktUd5KHm3ON+NLt706AsSj/8dT4QbV4uTG8RJAkLN+d3JGaOFwSX7LZ+AeF slLfABEBAAGJAjwEGAEIACYWIQTzZeZUSlyasTKTQtQvbUFFxV/HxwUCXJu79AIb DAUJEswDAAAKCRAvbUFFxV/Hx3MnEADnQ9b82umZ48WjzMfLeq0lraswaU2rAKmR NhMgLoYqe7QLywvG/zHwiwr07RU1RdmQG9wQC+ldRBM7SqANyuqEvMptaWZ/t0zy 1OUTzb4PqsZbHRHjVpyE0Pdb5WsjTfE4bXBLUU6DPyCP58S7FW4Nsh++GH2bLote iHqI0+WWyZk0aYzbmF8/IQe++rfr65TEEY2qcUP2AWNLE8gXY65oV7qOjcJz/uke jJvQ3HsR5Di60+kvIABOjIc3/5DMjp9bmGkr27u6EVyrxoBcC1Q/om3ynWtsnOhL 4F4F2upTeeUdmonRsr8hUFPUp2vm+fsuusE4JpzpNK4DjzhniZy+21dYQbPhBVOn yi12D6ZOdtRjSBEzRe3KJ18kDwhZiIPoO3plhxu+V/07kevqMtdnrN4VW3rYoR27 /PVGGsKqJv3IIGxWrEZk5nl5x0mIMHB1bTM/2BkjApD/Rt+0OyHLRS1VeEYnep3W cZjuH9WaMzPVjbnecUirPrkYYFUIdDO1I6QuDgbWcwdZWG0HOrNE3v/g/0cCyweF aLMg+893egNBAi5058jT+1pmx0JQTUUvlYY1QJEkgG89fExBOQTH3drLgv5etq5H IXhXHr9sCwFDqctHnqvrUeyyzOwTARJNOpoh2Eou8cIdAdvfDkcOK9fbedcqwUgW j8/1W9r08g=3D=3D =3D2gmp -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK----- --------------EBC4864C45FA6CFE7FC6DF79--