From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBC8C0001 for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with UTF8SMTP id 4564D4017F for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 21:48:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mattcorallo.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with UTF8SMTP id FkeSeTT-cZAp for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 21:48:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 03:37:45 by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail.as397444.net (mail.as397444.net [IPv6:2620:6e:a000:dead:beef:15:bad:f00d]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with UTF8SMTPS id D660E4017E for ; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 21:48:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.as397444.net (Postfix) with UTF8SMTPSA id 6F7934CD4B9; Sat, 6 Mar 2021 21:48:45 +0000 (UTC) X-DKIM-Note: Keys used to sign are likely public at https://as397444.net/dkim/ DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mattcorallo.com; s=1615065664; t=1615067325; bh=KZ0tvbdXaSbDnxlN9GjMl93dcjuaICefis3UEREoHOI=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=iLe1IypwIkWgKkaiE1PG5/qr2g7lFLikFRaU9kjIS750rBpNwbULPhmQYK5FeHR/J NjEcoszLLRVgXT2PFNdvBIs17QgjyPB8IB5vtLi5vfNT4jEw4PNlGClQ8C3vt38/2y CeLHyEPSId+O2tfqAa45Gu7XmSZnKQ0zMcDFS0iQO8EWn0qGIqzg7ImF0CXUuJo37j QgIxt56kXPedVRKOWp/igNUjVlWk6wVgf8qU8yYg/ujMFe/zCS0qtfCf7hc+mHaYQZ WRygpbiI59Q3GeHnAZvjokaPBUuEStiB354+JXNNcvfjS8vJS+s2jkSP3x+POg+60C 9LfZ2jU/rKK5w== Message-ID: Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 16:48:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en-US To: "David A. Harding" References: <20210306034343.fhwrxmq6gbb2os5m@ganymede> <2a6955d6-d242-89f5-d622-82889d499cc0@mattcorallo.com> <20210306202350.qdcpvxgedn6qhuxa@ganymede> From: Matt Corallo In-Reply-To: <20210306202350.qdcpvxgedn6qhuxa@ganymede> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot activation proposal "Speedy Trial" X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2021 21:48:49 -0000 I don't think anyone is proposing anything to "prevent" other people from doing anything they wish. My understanding of the goal of this proposal, itself, was to keep the community together by proposing a solution that was palatable to all. My point was that I'm not sure that this proposal achieves its own goal, and that there may be solutions which are even more likely to keep the community of nodes together. Matt On 3/6/21 15:23, David A. Harding wrote: > On Sat, Mar 06, 2021 at 01:11:01PM -0500, Matt Corallo wrote: >> I'm really unsure that three months is a short enough time window that there >> wouldn't be a material effort to split the network with divergent consensus >> rules. > > I oppose designing activation mechanisms with the goal of preventing > other people from effectively exercising self determination over what > consensus rules their nodes enforce. > > Three months was chosen because it's long enough to give miners a > reasonable enough amount of time to activate taproot but it's also short > enough that it doesn't delay any of the existing proposals with roughly > one-year timelines. As such, I think it has the potential to gain > acceptance from multiple current factions (even if it doesn't ever gain > their full approval), allowing us to move forward with rough social > consensus and to gain useful information from the attempt that can > inform future decisions. > > -Dave >