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[172.104.61.193]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3f1490d57ef6-e7414098498si151328276.2.2025.04.30.20.01.23 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 30 Apr 2025 20:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of aj@erisian.com.au designates 172.104.61.193 as permitted sender) client-ip=172.104.61.193; Received: from aj@azure.erisian.com.au by cerulean.erisian.com.au with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1uAKAo-0004gC-2C; Thu, 01 May 2025 13:01:20 +1000 Received: by email (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Thu, 01 May 2025 13:01:15 +1000 Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 13:01:15 +1000 From: Anthony Towns To: Pieter Wuille Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Relax OP_RETURN standardness restrictions Message-ID: References: <03be4934-f0ff-4b58-880d-861d63a4f970@dashjr.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_bar: / X-Original-Sender: aj@erisian.com.au X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of aj@erisian.com.au designates 172.104.61.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aj@erisian.com.au Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) On Sat, Apr 26, 2025 at 12:48:00PM +0000, Pieter Wuille wrote: > On Saturday, April 26th, 2025 at 7:45 AM, Luke Dashjr wrote: > > pools denying miners options has been the biggest barrier to that > > adoption. There is no significant financial impact either, that's just > > FUD; miners using the fixed and improved spam filters have in fact > > earned significantly more than miners using Core. > I am doubtful of this claim, and would like to see evidence of it. As far as I can tell, the claim is mostly justified by FPPS pools not distributing all the fee component from block rewards (eg, [0]). This reportedly reduces miner income by a larger factor than the occassional block that collects significantly less fees (eg, [1]). I haven't seen any hard evidence to back those claims up, but I also haven't tried creating any accounts with FPPS mining pools to get access to any of their APIs. Ocean/Datum also currently sets a 1% pool fee, compared to some FPPS pools setting a 4% pool fee, so that would also be a bigger impact on earnings than tx selection policy per se. Ocean's block template page [2] usually seems to have core templates gathering the most fees, followed by core-antispam, followed by ocean, followed by datafree, as far as I can see. The differences are usually pretty trivial though. Those differences would probably increase substantially if a more significant proportion of hashpower adopted filtering policies though. [0] https://x.com/MarkArtymko/status/1826970076605481367 [1] https://mempool.space/block/0000000000000000000055167ff46b33e39e25510a096360a185d7e757595b0e forgoing 530k sats, or ~0.27% of the block reward [2] https://ocean.xyz/blocktemplate Cheers, aj -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/aBLj-73MIbWFe-DB%40erisian.com.au.