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Harding" , Bitcoin Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] CTV + CSFS: a letter Message-ID: References: <195051b7c393b9a28727e87647ac002b@dtrt.org> <0B7CEBEE-FB2B-41CF-9347-B9C1C246B94D@sprovoost.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0B7CEBEE-FB2B-41CF-9347-B9C1C246B94D@sprovoost.nl> X-Operating-System: Linux 6.6.36 x86_64 X-Original-Sender: freedom@reardencode.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@reardencode.com header.s=mail header.b=ha3jG2c6; spf=pass (google.com: domain of freedom@reardencode.com designates 206.125.169.165 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freedom@reardencode.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=reardencode.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Hi Sjors, On 2025-06-10 (Tue) at 18:56:54 +0200, Sjors Provoost wrote: > From both your and Andrew's mail we can distill a relevant factor: pretty much everyone who is excited about (feature) soft forks is not working on Bitcoin Core. > > A few, such as yourself and Jeremy, were in the past but stopped doing so. > > Although trying to persuade more people inside the project to review and further develop these proposals is useful - methods and tone tbd - also consider the opposite: convince more people who want these changes to start contributing to Bitcoin Core. [...] > 1. It takes years to ramp up. The best time to plant a tree is ten years ago. But it's been six years and multiple developers could have been ramped up by now. To be fair, grant budgets were pretty tight until only two years ago.[1] You might notice that there's a strong correlation of new developers interested in potentially making improvements to bitcoin's consensus rules _not_ investing the years to ramp up on the project starting about the same time that the CTV and APO proposals were abandoned. This open letter reflects the reality that if none of the central members of a project are working in the direction that an enthusiastic outsider is interested in pursuing it is approximately impossible for that outsider to ramp up on the project and reasonably hope to achieve their goals. I have not discussed this with other signatories to the letter, but I suspect that a commitment to mentor and support developers working on consensus improvements from the broader bitcoin core project would also constitute a satisfactory response. While we the signatories believe that CTV+CSFS is a positive direction for consensus improvements on bitcoin, I don't think any of us would say that it is the only possible positive consensus improvement. The primary thrust of this letter is that consensus improvements should be prioritized alongside other work on bitcoin core. In an environment where consensus improvements were given equal billing to relay, p2p, build system, refactoring and other current project priorities this letter would never have been authored, signed, nor published. Fond regards, --Brandon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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