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[185.70.40.136]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id br38-20020a056512402600b00515aa2b9262si227470lfb.2.2024.03.31.10.01.51 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 31 Mar 2024 10:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.40.136 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.40.136; Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2024 17:01:44 +0000 To: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com From: "'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org> <42e6c1d1d39d811e2fe7c4c5ce6e09c705bd3dbb.camel@timruffing.de> <52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef@murch.one> Feedback-ID: 53660394:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lists@achow101.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@achow101.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b=Phf3ehrI; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.40.136 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lists@achow101.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=achow101.com X-Original-From: Ava Chow Reply-To: Ava Chow Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks for bringing this back up again. I agree that we should try to=20 move forward on this, and this timeline seems reasonable to me. Kanzure, Ruben, Roasbeef, Murch, and Jonatack all have my support to be=20 BIP editors with all privileges and responsibilities as laid out in BIP 2. Regarding guidance on assigning BIP numbers, if there is no guidance=20 provided by Luke to the new BIP editors when their permissions are=20 granted, I would also support simply creating their own numbering scheme=20 and begin assigning new BIP numbers. It's ridiculous that we should be=20 bottlenecked on simply what number a proposal should have. Ava On 03/27/2024 05:25 PM, Murch wrote: > Hey everyone, >=20 > I wanted to check in on the topic adding BIP Editors. There seem to be a > number of candidates that are willing and able, and there seems to be > broad agreement among the current editor, the readers of the repository, > and the contributors to the repository that additional help is desirable. >=20 > I have seen some support and reservations raised for pretty much every > candidate. A few weeks have passed since this topic was last active. So > far, there seems no clear path forward. >=20 > If we are all just in a holding pattern, perhaps we could timebox this > decision process: how about we invite arguments for and against any > candidates in this thread until next Friday EOD (April 5th). If any > candidates find broad support, those candidates could be added as new > editors to the repository on the following Monday (April 8th). If none > get broad support, at least we=E2=80=99d be able to move on and try somet= hing else. >=20 > I propose that all editors share the same privileges, especially that > any editor may assign numbers to BIPs. If there is guidance to be > provided on the process of assigning numbers and number ranges for > specific topics, it should be provided by then. If the editors decide on > a single number authority among themselves, that would also be fine as > long as it doesn=E2=80=99t become a bottleneck. >=20 > As Tim and Chris have suggested, it seems reasonable to me that > assessment of the technical soundness can be left to the audience. BIPs > have been published in the repository and set to the "rejected" status > before, so it=E2=80=99s not as if adding a BIP to the repository is treat= ed as > an unequivocal endorsement or implementation recommendation. >=20 > Cheers, > Murch >=20 >=20 > On 3/14/24 07:56, Chris Stewart wrote: >> I agree with Tim's thoughts here. >> >> I think Jon Atack, Reuben Somsen, Kanzure or Roasbeef would all make gre= at >> candidates. >> >> On Thursday, February 29, 2024 at 10:55:52=E2=80=AFAM UTC-6 Tim Ruffing = wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 2024-02-27 at 17:40 -0500, Luke Dashjr wrote: >>>> The hard part is evaluating >>>> if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev >>>> skills (mainly for technical soundness). >>> >>> I'm aware that checking technical soundness is in accordance with BIP2 >>> [1], but I believe that this is one of the main problems of the current >>> process, and I can imagine that this is what eats the time of editors. >>> >>> I'd prefer a BIP process in which the editors merely check that the >>> proposal is related to the Bitcoin ecosystem and meets some minimal >>> formal criteria that we already enforce now (i.e., is a full self- >>> contained document, has the required sections, etc...). This relieves >>> the editors not just from the effort, but also from the responsibility >>> to do so. Technical soundness should be evaluated by the audience of a >>> BIP, not by the editor. >>> >>> Best, >>> Tim >>> >>> >>> [1] BIP2 says: >>> "For each new BIP that comes in an editor does the following: >>> >>> - Read the BIP to check if it is ready: sound and complete. The ideas >>> must make technical sense, even if they don't seem likely to be >>> accepted. >>> [...]" >=20 > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an= email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgi= d/bitcoindev/52a0d792-d99f-4360-ba34-0b12de183fef%40murch.one. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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