From: Greg Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com>
To: Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [bitcoindev] Re: Unbreaking testnet4
Date: Mon, 5 May 2025 15:25:29 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
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On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 9:24:49 PM UTC Antoine Poinsot wrote:
Hi,
Testnet4 was rolled out a year ago to address the shortcomings of testnet3.
One of those shortcomings was the difficulty reset creating havoc. [0] In
spite of this a similar rule was adopted for testnet4. [1] As a result,
testnet4 is similarly creating havoc. [2]
The goal of testnet is to mimic the Bitcoin mainnet. This is why it is
useful to have in addition to a more control testing environment such as
Signet.
The given rationale for a difficulty reset was to let developers
occasionally mine blocks on their laptop. But you cannot have your cake and
eat it too: either the network is permissionless (PoW) or you assign
identities and privileges to some (Signet). By trying to do both at the
same time testnet4 created a loophole for abuse. As a result it failed on
both count: it neither mimics mainnet nor allows developers to mine active
blocks on their laptop.
I propose to fix this by removing the difficulty reset rule from testnet4
through a flag day hard fork on 2026-01-01. I picked a date well in the
future to minimize disruption. This leaves enough time for a patch to be
reviewed, merged, included in the next major Bitcoin Core release,
backported to previous releases and adopted by the infrastructure running
on testnet4. That should be enough for a test network.
Part of the root cause is violations of the gentleman's agreement to not
trade testnet coins for money, this results in predictable chaos with
people sniping the low difficulty blocks. Some believed that resetting
alone would discourage the conduct, but even if it had (it hadn't people
are selling them now) it was still likely that people would hoard up coins
just in case they became tradable in the future.
There is a simple fix for this which doesn't result in an operating
difference from Bitcoin, just an economic one. Hard fork in an
ultramassive premine, as large as possible but what stays with existing
value overflow logic. (so maybe an additional 21 million testnet btc?).
This also resolves the 'actual developers can't get coins problem' and if
someone starts trading tnbct for money, whomever has the premine wallet
should feel feel to sell into it what they can. Once they run out of coins
it'll be time for another testnet reset.
It may just not be possible to prevent degens from trading tn coins for
money, -- I mean consider the altcoins that some people spend money on :),
there is basically no low bar on how crappy you can make a cryptocurrency
where some scammer won't try to sell it to some fool. But what can't be
prevented can at least be turned into a benefit.
Compared to things like just rigging the subsidy to continue forever--
that's a bigger consensus change compared to bitcoin, and I think it
doesn't have the right incentive surface... some of the most popular
altcoins have endless inflation and people still use them. Instead you
want the failure mode to be "if you do trade this for money, most of the
profits end up going to support a developer or development, rather than
whatever jerk decided to trick people into paying for it". :)
Feel free to suggest yourself as the custodian of the premine. Or it could
be some anonymous party if there is a concern that they'll be pestered for
handouts. There should be a general expectation that the custodian of the
premine will use it for the betterment of Bitcoin development, but if it's
found that they're not-- solution is just another reset. :)
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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-03-18 14:29 [bitcoindev] Unbreaking testnet4 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-03-18 21:34 ` Melvin Carvalho
2025-03-19 7:01 ` [bitcoindev] " Garlo Nicon
2025-03-19 7:56 ` [bitcoindev] " Sjors Provoost
2025-03-19 8:43 ` Garlo Nicon
2025-03-19 8:32 ` Sjors Provoost
2025-03-19 9:11 ` Melvin Carvalho
2025-03-19 17:03 ` bitcoin-dev-ml.void867 via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-03-20 18:58 ` Melvin Carvalho
2025-03-21 21:20 ` Murch
2025-03-24 7:00 ` Garlo Nicon
2025-03-31 7:32 ` Saint Wenhao
2025-03-24 12:25 ` Murch
2025-03-24 13:57 ` 'Antoine Poinsot' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-04-27 11:44 ` Saint Wenhao
2025-04-27 22:49 ` Jameson Lopp
2025-04-28 6:11 ` Saint Wenhao
2025-04-28 10:45 ` Jameson Lopp
2025-04-28 11:59 ` 'emsit' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List
2025-04-28 12:47 ` Sjors Provoost
2025-04-28 13:33 ` Saint Wenhao
2025-04-28 18:15 ` Saint Wenhao
2025-04-28 18:50 ` Sjors Provoost
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2025-04-28 11:48 ` pithosian
2025-05-05 22:25 ` Greg Maxwell [this message]
2025-05-06 11:48 ` [bitcoindev] " Saint Wenhao
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