From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 070C4C002B for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:53:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56C381E58 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:53:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org D56C381E58 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FqgkJNjnbAbM for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:53:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp1.osuosl.org 29DAA81E56 Received: from 5.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (5.mo552.mail-out.ovh.net [188.165.45.220]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29DAA81E56 for ; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:53:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxplan6.mail.ovh.net (unknown [10.108.20.191]) by mo552.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6950629B37; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:47:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peersm.com (37.59.142.98) by DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2507.17; Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:47:46 +0100 Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-98R0023fa2de89-ff13-4efe-a216-9fed01b219f3, C40A7BB909302B11E7FA7FF70FC58BEE3DF10BE8) smtp.auth=aymeric@peersm.com X-OVh-ClientIp: 92.184.102.157 To: Andrew Poelstra , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , Robert Dickinson References: <3e3acd36-44d7-6823-4eb6-69affe111204@peersm.com> From: Aymeric Vitte Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:47:46 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3e3acd36-44d7-6823-4eb6-69affe111204@peersm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Originating-IP: [37.59.142.98] X-ClientProxiedBy: DAG2EX1.mxp6.local (172.16.2.11) To DAG6EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.52) X-Ovh-Tracer-GUID: 1715727b-c746-435d-8b8b-96939f611162 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 5887049140260004829 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: -100 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvhedruddvkedgledvucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecuhedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmnecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtgfhisehtqhertddtfeehnecuhfhrohhmpeethihmvghrihgtucggihhtthgvuceorgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvledugeekhedtheekuddvgffhkedtgedtueejgeffveeghfdvvdeffeeltdfftdenucffohhmrghinhepphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmpdhlihhnkhgvughinhdrtghomhdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmnecukfhppeduvdejrddtrddtrddupdefjedrheelrddugedvrdelkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepihhnvghtpeduvdejrddtrddtrddupdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegrhihmvghrihgtsehpvggvrhhsmhdrtghomheqpdhnsggprhgtphhtthhopedupdhrtghpthhtoheprhhosggvrhhtrdhlvggvrdguihgtkhhinhhsohhnsehgmhgrihhlrdgtohhmpdgsihhttghoihhnqdguvghvsehlihhsthhsrdhlihhnuhigfhhouhhnuggrthhiohhnrdhorhhgpdgrphhovghlshhtrhgrseifphhsohhfthifrghrvgdrnhgvthdpoffvtefjohhsthepmhhoheehvddpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhht X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:56:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2023 16:53:23 -0000 I saw the other posts, then storage in witness, no, ordinals no for now, let's keep things simple and understandable I forgot to mention that the proposals envision a "local bitcoin" (for a metaverse for example) wich is a fork of Bitcoin code, but of course not a fork of Bitcoin, and which of course does not store anything in the main Bitcoin chain, but which remains compatible (tx format) and coins between chains can be swapped Maybe nobody care, but the idea is to put bitcoin into the party as an alternative to this ethereum mess Le 27/01/2023 =E0 16:43, Aymeric Vitte a =E9crit : > > Le 27/01/2023 =E0 14:21, Andrew Poelstra via bitcoin-dev a =E9crit : >> if people were storing NFTs and other crap on the >> chain, then the Bitcoin fee market would become entangled with random >> pump&dump markets > So you mean that Bitcoin is out for NFTs, Metaverse and "web3"? > > LN is good but I don't think it can really adapt to everything, what I > proposed yesterday looks complementary > > I clearly dislike the current NFTs existing systems, and to make it > short NFTs as a whole until recently, it depends on what people mean by= > "NFT", and I did dislike any solution based on OP_RETURN (shxtty stuff > flooding bitcoin with stupid proofs of nothing) > > BUT I changed my mind, one can say that I am contradicting myself > everywhere (links in the proposals), but no, explaining why in the prop= osals > > Note that in my proposals you don't need to "mint" the NFTs (using a > third party but not a stupid ethereum/bitcoin like super sidechain) and= > that you can reference millions of them in one transaction (low value > NFTs like loyalty programms, discount coupons) in that case of course > the low value NFTs are centralized > > That's the future, Bitcoin being out of this does not look plausible, > currently NOBODY envisions bitcoin or LN for a web3 system, so people > here might destroy my proposals, then please do, but I find them quite > good compared to whatever exist > > =20 > --=20 Sophia-Antipolis, France CV: https://www.peersm.com/CVAV.pdf LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26 GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms A Universal Coin Swap system based on Bitcoin: https://gist.github.com/Ay= ms/029125db2583e1cf9c3209769eb2cdd7 A bitcoin NFT system: https://gist.github.com/Ayms/01dbfebf219965054b4a3b= eed1bfeba7 Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transac= tions torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.p= eersm.com Peersm : http://www.peersm.com