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[83.201.223.124]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id 68sm1922651wme.7.2017.03.30.04.24.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 30 Mar 2017 04:24:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Tom Zander , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion References: <42619430.6XQoorDgjR@strawberry> From: Aymeric Vitte Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:24:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <42619430.6XQoorDgjR@strawberry> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Hard fork proposal from last week's meeting X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 11:24:52 -0000 Except if people have some incentive to do it, simple example: I have some servers, they are doing some work but are not so busy finally, I can decide to run some nodes, this does not cost me more (and less for the planet than setting up new servers) and I get some rewards (as an illustration of this my servers are mining zcash and running zcash nodes, this is of course absolutely not profitable but since this does not disturb what the servers are primarly intended for and I get some small zecs with no additionnal costs, why not doing it?) Of course we can then consider that people doing this are finally using the network... Le 30/03/2017 à 12:34, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev a écrit : > On Wednesday, 29 March 2017 21:50:48 CEST Raystonn . via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> Low node costs are a good goal for nodes that handle transactions the node >> operator can afford. Nobody is going to run a node for a network they do >> not use for their own transactions. If transactions have fees that >> prohibit use for most economic activity, that means node count will drop >> until nodes are generally run by those who settle large amounts. 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