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Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Some real-world results about the current Segwit
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I'm highly unconvinced of this point. Sure, you can change fewer lines
of code, but if the result is, lets be honest, shit, how do you believe
its going to have a higher chance of getting acceptance from the broader
community? I think you're over-optimizing in the wrong direction.

Matt

On 05/09/17 20:58, Sergio Demian Lerner wrote:
> I agree with you Matt. 
> I'm artificially limiting myself to changing the parameters of Segwit as
> it is.. 
> 
> This is motivated by the idea that a consensual HF in the current state
> would have greater chance of acceptance if it changes the minimum number
> of lines of code.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Gregory Maxwell <greg@xiph.org
> <mailto:greg@xiph.org>> wrote:
> 
>     On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Matt Corallo
>     <lf-lists@mattcorallo.com <mailto:lf-lists@mattcorallo.com>> wrote:
>     > at beast.
> 
>     Rawr.
> 
>