From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [140.211.166.133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8488C000E for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B37E3400E7 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:17 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQlFwY4ok9E6 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from 10.mo548.mail-out.ovh.net (10.mo548.mail-out.ovh.net [46.105.77.235]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A835A400DA for ; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mxplan6.mail.ovh.net (unknown [10.109.143.25]) by mo548.mail-out.ovh.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC195207CB; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:51:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from peersm.com (37.59.142.104) by DAG6EX1.mxp6.local (172.16.2.51) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2308.14; Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:51:36 +0200 Authentication-Results: garm.ovh; auth=pass (GARM-104R005be16b98f-d4bb-40b3-8828-6ac36917cc64, ECF88A5A5F4BEFCF69CB4689B210606CFDD90A9D) smtp.auth=aymeric@peersm.com X-OVh-ClientIp: 92.184.112.116 To: Prayank References: From: Aymeric Vitte Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:51:39 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------8BA68291BD66377037573CB0" X-Originating-IP: [37.59.142.104] X-ClientProxiedBy: DAG3EX2.mxp6.local (172.16.2.22) To DAG6EX1.mxp6.local (172.16.2.51) X-Ovh-Tracer-GUID: ca9d0e54-4b4a-4575-b782-99168d403d48 X-Ovh-Tracer-Id: 6388356071656940442 X-VR-SPAMSTATE: OK X-VR-SPAMSCORE: 49 X-VR-SPAMCAUSE: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddruddujedgudelucetufdoteggodetrfdotffvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuqfggjfdpvefjgfevmfevgfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecuhedttdenucgoufhushhpvggtthffohhmrghinhculdegledmnecujfgurhepuffvfhfhkffffgggjggtihesrgdtreertdefjeenucfhrhhomhepteihmhgvrhhitgcugghithhtvgcuoegrhihmvghrihgtsehpvggvrhhsmhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepjedtfeffvdfhkeegudetgeeuffehvdfgheejtdduheejiefhfeelhfduffegfeeknecuffhomhgrihhnpehpvggvrhhsmhdrtghomhdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmpdgsihhttghoihhnthgrlhhkrdhorhhgpdhlihhnuhigfhhouhhnuggrthhiohhnrdhorhhgpdhgihhthhhusgdrihhopdhlihhnkhgvughinhdrtghomhenucfkpheptddrtddrtddrtddpfeejrdehledrudegvddruddtgeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhhouggvpehsmhhtphdqohhuthdphhgvlhhopehmgihplhgrnheirdhmrghilhdrohhvhhdrnhgvthdpihhnvghtpedtrddtrddtrddtpdhmrghilhhfrhhomheprgihmhgvrhhitgesphgvvghrshhmrdgtohhmpdhrtghpthhtohepphhrrgihrghnkhesthhuthgrnhhothgrrdguvg X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 10:06:38 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Camouflage: A project dedicated to Hal Finney X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:59:18 -0000 --------------8BA68291BD66377037573CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Maybe let's discuss the details privately since some might be off topic for this list, as a quick answer the discussion I linked to is about using the Tor protocol between bitcoin nodes piping the bitcoin protocol via node-Tor (not to be misunderstood with the Tor network again), nodes can be whatever you like including browsers (but the use of the Tor browser is not foreseen neither encouraged, disabling js and WebRTC is valid when you are browsing, but browsing is not what is proposed here), they can be wallets too, if you look at the browserification of bitcoin-transactions (https://peersm.com/wallet) there is a mechanism to make sure the js code you loaded is the correct one, you can also create a bookmarklet button with the js code to run it directly inside the browser without having to load it Regards Aymeric Le 29/08/2021 =C3=A0 00:40, Prayank a =C3=A9crit : > Hi Aymeric, > > Thanks for sharing the link. 'bitcoin-transactions' and 'node-Tor' > looks interesting although I will have to check details and try things.= > > One observation: I noticed it's in JavaScript and will use WebRTC. > Users who care about privacy normally disable both while using a browse= r. > > --=20 > Prayank > > A3B1 E430 2298 178F > > > > Aug 28, 2021, 22:06 by aymeric@peersm.com: > > Probably you could add to your links this discussion/issue > https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18988#issuecomment-64656485= 3 > > > Le 27/08/2021 =C3=A0 23:29, Prayank via bitcoin-dev a =C3=A9crit : >> I wish Hal Finney was with us today and help us improve privacy >> in Bitcoin. I like reading his posts and one of them is >> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3D156390.msg1659654#msg165= 9654 >> >> I had emailed about Privacy related things on July 23: >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-July/= 019276.html >> >> It was my birthday on 23 and had few beers so maybe email wasn't >> very focused. Although basic idea was to initiate discussion >> about improving privacy in different Bitcoin projects. I did not >> receive any response except one person who liked the video I >> mentioned in the email. So here is one project which uses GitHub >> pages and will have the following things: >> >> 1.Issues and PRs related to privacy from different Bitcoin >> projects. I have added few from Bitcoin Core (full node >> implementation), Bisq(DEX) and LND (LN implementation) right now. >> 2.Blog section for my opinion on different privacy related issues >> and PRs. >> 3.'Hall of Fame' section to appreciate the contribution of devs >> who are improving privacy in different Bitcoin projects. >> >> I will be happy if this project helps in improving privacy or >> helps users/devs in any other way. This project will never turn >> in to a paid newsletter or needs any sponsors, however any >> contribution to make the website better would be appreciated. >> Edward Snowden can also contribute if he wants to do more than >> just tweets to help improve Bitcoin privacy. >> >> Link: https://prayank23.github.io/camouflage/ >> >> Will move everything to new repository this weekend: >> https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Camouflage >> >> --=20 >> Prayank >> >> A3B1 E430 2298 178F >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> --=20 Sophia-Antipolis, France LinkedIn: https://fr.linkedin.com/in/aymeric-vitte-05855b26 GitHub : https://www.github.com/Ayms Move your coins by yourself (browser version): https://peersm.com/wallet Bitcoin transactions made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-transac= tions torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets Bitcoin wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/bitcoin-wallets Anti-spies and private torrents, dynamic blocklist: http://torrent-live.p= eersm.com Peersm : http://www.peersm.com --------------8BA68291BD66377037573CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi,

Maybe let's discuss the details privately since some might be off topic for this list, as a quick answer the discussion I linked to is about using the Tor protocol between bitcoin nodes piping the bitcoin protocol via node-Tor (not to be misunderstood with the Tor network again), nodes can be whatever you like including browsers (but the use of the Tor browser is not foreseen neither encouraged, disabling js and WebRTC is valid when you are browsing, but browsing is not what is proposed here), they can be wallets too, if you look at the browserification of bitcoin-transactions (https://peersm.com/wallet) there is a mechanism to make sure the js code you loaded is the correct one, you can also create a bookmarklet button with the js code to run it directly inside the browser without having to load it

Regards

Aymeric


Le 29/08/2021 à 00:40, Prayank a écrit :
Hi Aymeric,

Thanks for sharing the link. 'bitcoin-transactions' and 'node-Tor' looks interesting although I will have to check details and try things.

One observation: I noticed it's in JavaScript and will use WebRTC. Users who care about privacy normally disable both while using a browser.

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Prayank

A3B1 E430 2298 178F



Aug 28, 2021, 22:06 by aymeric@peersm.com:

Probably you could add to your links this discussion/issue https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/18988#issuecomment-646564853


Le 27/08/2021 à 23:29, Prayank via bitcoin-dev a écrit :
I wish Hal Finney was with us today and help us improve privacy in Bitcoin. I like reading his posts and one of them is https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156390.msg1659654#msg1659654

I had emailed about Privacy related things on July 23: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-July/019276.html

It was my birthday on 23 and had few beers so maybe email wasn't very focused. Although basic idea was to initiate discussion about improving privacy in different Bitcoin projects. I did not receive any response except one person who liked the video I mentioned in the email. So here is one project which uses GitHub pages and will have the following things:

1.Issues and PRs related to privacy from different Bitcoin projects. I have added few from Bitcoin Core (full node implementation), Bisq(DEX) and LND (LN implementation) right now.
2.Blog section for my opinion on different privacy related issues and PRs.
3.'Hall of Fame' section to appreciate the contribution of devs who are improving privacy in different Bitcoin projects.

I will be happy if this project helps in improving privacy or helps users/devs in any other way. This project will never turn in to a paid newsletter or needs any sponsors, however any contribution to make the website better would be appreciated. Edward Snowden can also contribute if he wants to do more than just tweets to help improve Bitcoin privacy.


Will move everything to new repository this weekend: https://github.com/BlockchainCommons/Bitcoin-Camouflage

--
Prayank

A3B1 E430 2298 178F


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torrent-live: https://github.com/Ayms/torrent-live
node-Tor : https://www.github.com/Ayms/node-Tor
Zcash wallets made simple: https://github.com/Ayms/zcash-wallets
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