From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WQRzZ-0004X4-FI for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:41:57 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=odinn.cyberguerrilla@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net; Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76) id 1WQRzY-000290-C6 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:41:57 +0000 Received: from fulvetta.riseup.net (fulvetta-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Gandi Standard SSL CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 534B34670E; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:41:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (Authenticated sender: odinn.cyberguerrilla@fulvetta.riseup.net) with ESMTPSA id E740F1A8 Received: from localhost (127.0.0.1) (SquirrelMail authenticated user odinn.cyberguerrilla) by fulvetta.riseup.net with HTTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:41:50 -0700 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 18:41:50 -0700 From: "Odinn Cyberguerrilla" To: "Brent Shambaugh" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.98.1 at mx1 X-Virus-Status: Clean Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [198.252.153.129 listed in list.dnswl.org] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD Envelope sender domain matches handover relay domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Headers-End: 1WQRzY-000290-C6 Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoin for W3C Payments Workshop, March 24-25 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2014 01:41:57 -0000 I wish to state that I fundamentally disagree with this proposal of use cases for W3C payments workshop. Please read my following explanation an= d then do what you will: At one time I was invited to join the Web Payments conference calls. I considered it and then declined due to the very CLAs that Brent mentioned in the message that started this thread. I was trying to remember the language that I objected to relating to the W3C CLA. Found it: https://web-payments.org/minutes/ As mentioned, I was offered to join these calls but I declined due to, in part, the following= : Upon review of the page at web-payments.org, I noticed that it provides a means to connect with web payments group by teleconference. However, there is an agreement that the site would require me to accept merely to join the teleconference and collaborate with others in the web payments group. I would say "unfortunately," but in my case I will say fortunately, I don't agree with the required agreement as shown here at http://www.w3.org/community/about/agreements/cla/ which is shown as follows at https://web-payments.org/minutes/ "There are no costs associated with joining the group or limitations on who may join the teleconference as long as they agree to the Web Payments community " Some of the things I don't like about the proposed agreement / "requirement" are fundamental. At the core, it should be understood that collaborative efforts, or teleconferences involving innovators who strive to develop concepts for eventual development of a social good, for example, should not be subject to a "requirement" that anyone agree to a license in relation to their participation or contribution. Such "requirements" inhibit innovation and free thought. For example, the web payments group provides that in order for me to participate, I must first "agree to license my Essential Claims under the W3C CLA RF Licensing Requirements" and numerous other requirements. Although I was interested in some sort of collaboration with the Web Payments Community Group, these CLAs - lengthy, burdensome, and in my personal view, highly dubious and potentially restricting with respect to innovation and free thought - caused me to reconsider, and thus I will no= t be entering into web or telephone conferences or related collaborations with the W3C / Web Payments folks until such time as they remove these burdensome requirements which are applied merely to join a call.=EF=BB=BF > Hello Bitcoiners, > > I have been working on some use cases for the W3C payments workshop. I'= d > like to include Bitcoin, but I might not have the time: > > Here is what I have: > > https://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/wiki/WebPaymentsMobileUseCases > > Which is editable with a w3c username and password. Just be a member of > the > webpayments community group: http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/ > > More formally you can submit a pull request to: > > https://github.com/w3c-webmob/payments-use-cases > > ------------- > > Due to discussions with others am attempting to apply the following > template: > > > Name: name of the solution > Use Cases: Key use cases for the solution > Regions and currencies: Any SDKs or APIs which are available to develop= ers > > with the following things to consider (for use cases): > (1) add real money to the service > (2) buy a physical good in the real wold (e.g., a cup of coffee) > (3) pay for physical service (e.g., gym membership)? > (4) convert virtual money back into paper money > (5) transfer money from one person to another (even if the second perso= n > is > not signed up for the service)? > (6) buy product online > (7) resolve disputes? > (8) view transactions? > (9) secure the wallet > (10) etc. > > Thanks for your time and have a great day! > > -Brent Shambaugh > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and th= eir > applications. 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