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[185.70.43.17]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id dw10-20020a0565122c8a00b00518785dafcasi299540lfb.0.2024.04.21.17.06.08 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) client-ip=185.70.43.17; Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2024 00:06:00 +0000 To: Matt Corallo , bitcoindev@googlegroups.com From: "'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List" Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6899161f-db77-4ba3-89e8-47b18012f9be@mattcorallo.com> References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36-be81-7c3719157fabn@googlegroups.com> <6806b22d-043d-4201-841a-95e17cd8d542@mattcorallo.com> <77554baa9330c57361c65c1fc85557f1@dtrt.org> <7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0-a441-aebcfc7b0bben@googlegroups.com> <070755a0-10e9-4903-9524-dd8ef98c1c8b@achow101.com> <6899161f-db77-4ba3-89e8-47b18012f9be@mattcorallo.com> Feedback-ID: 53660394:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 5d2e87ade1e3b7e5bdddd9e3bbbee6fbb8561151 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: lists@achow101.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@achow101.com header.s=protonmail3 header.b="hP/SY/yu"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lists@achow101.com designates 185.70.43.17 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=lists@achow101.com; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=achow101.com X-Original-From: Ava Chow Reply-To: Ava Chow Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Okay, it was not clear to me that the questions about whether he had the=20 time were actually objections. However, his response[1] indicates that=20 he does not think that time will be an issue, so I think that complaint=20 is sufficiently addressed. As for Ruben and Jon, I think it's clear that others on this list think=20 that they are well suited for the role. Ava [1]:=20 https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAO3Pvs8B+NVWFUxg6zfNXYrAfX9mhqpj9ZpNSEr4H= WUbJKnNmw@mail.gmail.com/ On 04/21/2024 07:01 PM, Matt Corallo wrote: > I'm a bit confused, several people have suggested that Roasbeef clearly d= oesn't have the time > commitment to be added as a BIP editor, and I previously noted that of th= e list of people, only > Kanzure and Murch have been around for a long period of time and demonstr= ated depth in the kind of > Bitcoin technical nomenclature and copy-editing required for this role, l= argely via Kanzure's long > history of Bitcoin technical transcriptions and Murch's work on stack exc= hange and the nomenclature > BIP at https://github.com/murchandamus/bips/pull/1/files. >=20 > For the avoidance of doubt, this is an objection to the rest of the list. >=20 > Matt >=20 > On 4/20/24 3:14 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List wrote= : >> Since we're now past the deadline of April 19th, I'd like to inform >> everyone of what will happen on Monday. >> >> There has not been any actual objections to the nominees nor have there >> been any suggestions on choosing a subset of them since my last email. >> As such, there is rough consensus on adding Kanzure, Murch, Jonatack, >> Ruben, and Roasbeef as BIP editors, and they will be added on Monday >> April 22nd. >> >> Ava >> >> On 04/16/2024 01:08 PM, 'Ava Chow' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List >> wrote: >>> While I don't disagree that 5 or 6 people seems like a lot to add at >>> once, it's not clear to me how we should decide which subset of the >>> nominees should be added. As it is now, I have only seen an actual >>> objection to Kanzure and Ruben from /dev/fd0, and no explicit objection= s >>> to anyone else. It seems like the vast majority of people don't share >>> their concerns either as both Kanzure and Ruben continue to be endorsed >>> by many others. >>> >>> Looking at the endorsements each candidate has received, the current >>> counts are: >>> * Kanzure - 17 for, 1 against >>> * Murch - 13 for >>> * Jonatack - 13 for >>> * Ruben - 12 for, 1 against >>> * Roasbeef - 9 for >>> * Michael Folkson - none >>> >>> However, I don't want this process to become a popularity contest and >>> require some kind of formal voting. Rather I'd prefer that this process >>> be something more like how Bitcoin Core maintainers are added - by >>> achieving rough consensus. Without any explicit objections to any of >>> these candidates, I'm inclined to move forward with adding the 5 who >>> have received endorsements. Having to pick "winners" from this list >>> seems like a quick way to stir up drama that I don't think anyone reall= y >>> wants to deal with. >>> >>> I do want to note that neither Kanzure, Ruben, nor Roasbeef have posted >>> on this list that they are willing to be BIP editors. I have reached ou= t >>> to all 3 of them privately, and received responses from Kanzure and >>> Ruben that indicate that they probably are willing, but public >>> confirmation from them on this list would also be nice. I have not >>> received a response from Roasbeef. >>> >>> Ava >>> >>> On 04/11/2024 10:22 AM, Sergi Delgado Segura wrote: >>>> > I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, s= o >>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group >>>> majority. >>>> >>>> I disagree with that, the more doesn't really the better here. Having >>>> too many editors may result in a tragedy of the commons, in which peop= le >>>> just commit to the job because many others do, and they do not end up >>>> doing as much because they expect others to do the it. This does not >>>> only make the process look bad but may burnout the ones that end up >>>> doing the job, given their time commitment ends up being too far from >>>> their expectations. >>>> >>>> I think being more moderate with the amount of people is better, and >>>> gives us leeway in case the workload ends up being excessive and we ne= ed >>>> to add more people (plus discourage people from joining and slacking o= ff). >>>> >>>> I think 3 more people should be a good number to start from. >>>> I'd personally vouch for Murch, Kanzure, and Ruben based on their trac= k >>>> record in the space >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 2, 2024 at 4:30=E2=80=AFPM nvk >>> > wrote: >>>> >>>> +1 for >>>> Kanzure >>>> RubenSomsen >>>> Seccour >>>> Jon Atack >>>> Roasbeef >>>> >>>> I would prefer having more (9+?) than less folks on this task, so >>>> personal preferences are easily ignored and overwritten by the group >>>> majority. >>>> >>>> BIPs were intended as a means to collect ideas, not enforce ideas. >>>> >>>> I'd like to return to that. >>>> >>>> - NVK (temp gmail account) >>>> >>>> On Monday, April 1, 2024 at 5:16:54=E2=80=AFPM UTC-4 David A. H= arding wrote: >>>> >>>> On 2024-03-28 10:04, Matt Corallo wrote: >>>> > Please provide justification rather than simply saying "= I >>>> like Bob!". >>>> >>>> Using only comments from the mailing list, the following ap= pears >>>> to be >>>> the candidate list along with the current support. Asterisk= s denote >>>> candidates who indicated their willingness to accept the ro= le. >>>> >>>> - Bryan "Kanzure" Bishop, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris >>>> Stewart[3], >>>> Michael Folkson[6], Peter Todd[9], Matt Corallo[10], Brando= n >>>> Black[11], >>>> Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[15], John >>>> Carvalho[16] >>>> >>>> - Ruben Somsen, recommended by Ava Chow[1], Chris Stewart[3= ], >>>> Michael >>>> Folkson[6], Antoine Riard[12], Murch[13], Antoine Poinsot[1= 5], John >>>> Carvalho[16] >>>> >>>> - Jon Atack*, recommended by Luke Dashjr[2], Chris Stewart[= 3], >>>> /dev/fd0[5][7], >>>> Brandon Black[11], Antoine Riard[12], Ava Chow[14], John >>>> Carvalho[16] >>>> >>>> - Olaoluwa "Roasbeef" Osuntokun, recommended by Chris >>>> Stewart[3], John >>>> C. Vernaleo[4], /dev/fd0[5][7], Keagan McClelland[8], Antoi= ne >>>> Riard[12], Ava Chow[14] >>>> >>>> - Mark "Murch" Erhardt*, recommended by Michael Folkson[6],= Keagan >>>> McClelland[8], Matt Corallo[10], Brandon Black[11], Antoine >>>> Riard[12], >>>> Ava Chow[14] >>>> >>>> - Michael Folkson* >>>> >>>> Note: Luke Dashjr proposed[17] Seccour and Greg Tonoski for >>>> "non-dev >>>> triaging", Tonoski proposed himself[18] for "BIP editor", a= nd >>>> Antoine >>>> Riard[12] proposed Seccour for "decentralized PM". >>>> >>>> I searched the BIPs repo by commenter to see if any of the = above >>>> candidates had been especially active there, which is liste= d >>>> below as: >>>> total PRs they commented on (number still open/number close= d). >>>> >>>> - 21 (1/20) commenter:kanzure >>>> - 3 (2/1) commenter:rubensomsen >>>> - 15 (0/15) commenter:jonatack >>>> - 18 (2/16) commenter:roasbeef >>>> - 10 (6/4) commenter:Murchandamus >>>> - 57 (6/51) commenter:michaelfolkson >>>> >>>> I'll also note that Osuntokun is the only member of the set= to >>>> have a >>>> merged BIP that they co-authored, although I believe there = are >>>> far-along >>>> draft BIPs for both Murch (terminology) and Somsen (Silent >>>> Payments). I >>>> don't think this should be a requirement, but I do think it >>>> demonstrates >>>> familiarity with the process. >>>> >>>> Speaking only for myself, I think all of the candidates abo= ve with >>>> multiple recommendations from other community participants = are >>>> fully >>>> qualified for the role, so I'll only provide a detailed >>>> justification >>>> for the person who would be my first pick: Murch is not onl= y a >>>> longstanding and broadly liked Bitcoin contributor, but (as= Corallo >>>> mentioned) he has worked on standardizing terminology throu= gh a >>>> draft >>>> BIP. In addition, he provided an extremely detailed review = of >>>> all 300 >>>> pages of a draft of Mastering Bitcoin (3rd edition) and has >>>> reviewed >>>> drafts of over 200 weekly Optech newsletters, in both cases >>>> significantly improving the accuracy and comprehensibility = of the >>>> documentation. To me, that seems very similar to the work w= e'd >>>> ask him >>>> to perform as a BIPs editor and it's something that he's al= ready >>>> doing, >>>> so I think there's an excellent fit of person to role. >>>> >>>> -Dave >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/2092f7ff-4860-47f8...@acho= w101.com/ >>>> [2] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106...@dash= jr.org/ >>>> [3] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/d1e7183c-30e6-4f1a...@goog= legroups.com/ >>>> [4] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/84309c3f-e848-d333...@netp= urgatory.com/ >>>> [5] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/4c1462b7-ea1c-4a36...@goog= legroups.com/ >>>> [6] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/a116fba3-5948-48d2...@goog= legroups.com/ >>>> [7] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/846b668f-8386-4869...@goog= legroups.com/ >>>> [8] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALeFGL1-LKPWd7YRS110ut8tX= =3DwruqgLEazRA5...@mail.gmail.com/ >>>> [9] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgePPvbf...@petertodd.= org/ >>>> >>>> [10] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/f9435999-42df-46b5...@matt= corallo.com/ >>>> [11] https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ZgWRu32FXzqqg69V@cons= ole/ >>>> >>>> [12] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CALZpt+E8DohYEJ9aO+FiF6+E.= ..@mail.gmail.com/ >>>> [13] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/53a0015c-b76a-441a...@murc= h.one/ >>>> [14] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ae482890-bce3-468f...@acho= w101.com/ >>>> [15] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ppBS1tfMU3SFX85kmIBVBd0WpT= 5Wof_oSBXsuizh7692AUDw2TojfvCqvcvlmsy9E69qfWMxK-UZWawf8IDApPqF7bXOH4gwU1c2j= S4xojo=3D@protonmail.com/ >>>> [16] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/ad284018-e99c-4552...@goog= legroups.com/ >>>> [17] >>>> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAMHHROw9mZJRnTbUo76PdqwJU= =3D=3DYJMvd9Qrst+...@mail.gmail.com/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Goo= gle >>>> Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from i= t, >>>> send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/7b4e2223-0b96-4ca0= -a441-aebcfc7b0bben%40googlegroups.com . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sergi. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/CAEYHFxV_8_Jw61tysL_cV_xi= XBcRyA3e%3DCGHGuSCgm%2B-4WxT9w%40mail.gmail.com . >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send = an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ms= gid/bitcoindev/fb52ccb5-9942-4db8-b880-3c06ebc47cd1%40achow101.com. >> --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. 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