From: Tadge Dryja <rx@awsomnet.org>
To: Bitcoin Development Mailing List <bitcoindev@googlegroups.com>
Subject: [bitcoindev] Post-Quantum commit / reveal Fawkescoin variant as a soft fork
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 10:14:20 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
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One of the tricky things about securing Bitcoin against quantum computers
is: do you even need to? Maybe quantum computers that can break secp256k1
keys will never exist, in which case we shouldn't waste our time. Or maybe
they will exist, in not too many years, and we should spend the effort to
secure the system against QCs.
Since people disagree on how likely QCs are to arrive, and what the timing
would be if they do, it's hard to get consensus on changes to bitcoin that
disrupt the properties we use today. For example, a soft fork introducing
a post-quantum (PQ) signature scheme and at the same time disallowing new
secp256k1 based outputs would be great for strengthening Bitcoin against an
oncoming QC. But it would be awful if a QC never appears, or takes decades
to do so, since secp256k1 is really nice.
So it would be nice to have a way to not deal with this issue until *after*
the QC shows up. With commit / reveal schemes Bitcoin can keep working
after a QC shows up, even if we haven't defined a PQ signature scheme and
everyone's still got P2WPKH outputs.
Most of this is similar to Tim Ruffing's proposal from a few years ago here:
https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/1518710367.3550.111.camel@mmci.uni-saarland.de/
The main difference is that this scheme doesn't use encryption, but a
smaller hash-based commitment, and describes activation as a soft fork.
I'll define the two types of attacks, a commitment scheme, and then say
how it can be implemented in bitcoin nodes as a soft fork.
This scheme only works for keys that are pubkey hashes (or script hashes)
with pubkeys that are unknown to the network. It works with taproot as
well, but there must be some script-path in the taproot key, as keypath
spends would no longer be secure.
What to do with all the keys that are known is another issue and
independent of the scheme in this post (it's compatible with both burning
them and leaving them to be stolen)
For these schemes, we assume there is an attacker with a QC that can
compute a quickly compute a private key from any secp256k1 public key. We
also assume the attacker has some mining power or influence over miners for
their attacks; maybe not reliably, but they can sometimes get a few blocks
in a row with the transactions they want.
"Pubkey" can also be substituted with "script" for P2SH and P2WSH output
types and should work about the same way (with caveats about multisig).
The equivalent for taproot outputs would be an inner key proving a script
path.
## A simple scheme to show an attack
The simplest commit/reveal scheme would be one where after activation, for
any transaction with an EC signature in it, that transaction's txid must
appear in a earlier transaction's OP_RETURN output.
When a user wants to spend their coins, they first sign a transaction as
they would normally, compute the txid, get that txid into an OP_RETURN
output somehow (paying a miner out of band, etc), then after waiting a
while, broadcast the transaction. Nodes would check that the txid matches
a previously seen commitment, and allow the transaction.
One problem with this scheme is that upon seeing the full transaction, the
attacker can compute the user's private key, and create a new commitment
with a different txid for a transaction where the attacker gets all the
coins. If the attacker can get their commitment and spending transaction
in before the user's transaction, they can steal the coins.
In order to mitigate this problem, a minimum delay can be enforced by
consensus. A minimum delay of 100 blocks would mean that the attacker
would have to prevent the user's transaction from being confirmed for 100
blocks after it showed up in the attacker's mempool. The tradeoff is that
longer periods give better safety at the cost of more delay in spending.
This scheme, while problematic, is better than nothing! But it's possible
to remove this timing tradeoff.
## A slightly more complex scheme with (worse) problems
If instead of just the txid, the commitment were both the outpoint being
spent, and the txid that was going to spend it, we could add a "first seen"
consensus rule. Only the first commitment pointing to an outpoint works.
So if nodes see two OP_RETURN commitments in their sequence of confirmed
transactions:
C1 = outpoint1, txid1
C2 = outpoint1, txid2
They can ignore C2; C1 has already laid claim to outpoint1, and the
transaction identified by txid1 is the only transaction that can spend
outpoint1.
If the user manages to get C1 confirmed first, this is great, and
eliminates the timing problem in the txid only scheme. But this introduces
a different problem, where an attacker -- in this case any attacker, even
one without a QC -- who can observe C1 before it is confirmed can flip some
bits in the txid field, freezing the outpoint forever.
We want to retain the "first seen" rule, but we want to also be able to
discard invalid commitments. In a bit flipping attack, we could say an
invalid commitment is one where there is no transaction described by the
txid. A more general way to classify a commitment as invalid is a
commitment made without knowledge of the (secret) pubkey. Knowledge of the
pubkey is what security of coins is now hinging on.
The actual commitment scheme
We define some hash function h(). We'll use SHA256 for the hashing, but it
needs to be keyed with some tag, for example "Alas poor Koblitz curve, we
knew it well".
Thus h(pubkey) is not equal to the pubkey hash already used in the bitcoin
output script, which instead is RIPEMD160(SHA256(pubkey)), or in bitcoin
terms, HASH160(pubkey). Due to the hash functions being different, A =
HASH160(pubkey) and B = h(pubkey) will be completely different, and nobody
should be able to determine if A and B are hashes of the same pubkey
without knowing pubkey itself.
An efficient commitment is:
C = h(pubkey), h(pubkey, txid), txid
(to label things: C = AID, SDP, CTXID)
This commitment includes 3 elements: a different hash of the pubkey which
will be signed for, a proof of knowledge of the pubkey which commits to a
transaction, and an the txid of the spending transaction. We'll call these
"address ID" (AID), sequence dependent proof (SDP), and the commitment txid
(CTXID).
For those familiar with the proposal by Ruffing, the SDP has a similar
function to the authenticated encryption part of the encrypted commitment.
Instead of using authenticated encryption, we can instead just use an
HMAC-style authentication alone, since the other data, the CTXID, is
provided.
When the user's wallet creates a transaction, they can feed that
transaction into a commitment generator function which takes in a
transaction, extracts the pubkey from the tx, computes the 3 hashes, and
returns the 3-hash commitment. Once this commitment is confirmed, the user
broadcasts the transaction.
Nodes verify the commitment by using the same commitment generator function
and checking if it matches the first valid commitment for that AID, in
which case the tx is confirmed.
If a node sees multiple commitments all claiming the same AID, it must
store all of them. Once the AID's pubkey is known, the node can
distinguish which commitments are valid, which are invalid, and which is
the first seen valid commitment. Given the pubkey, nodes can determine
commitments to be invalid by checking if SDP = h(pubkey, CTXID).
As an example, consider a sequence of 3 commitments:
C1 = h(pubkey), h(pubkey', txid1), txid1
C2 = h(pubkey), h(pubkey, txid2), txid2
C3 = h(pubkey), h(pubkey, txid3), txid3
The user first creates tx2 and tries to commit C2. But an attacker creates
C1, committing to a different txid where they control the outputs, and
confirms it first. This attacker may know the outpoint being spent, and
may be able to create a transaction and txid that could work. But they
don't know the pubkey, so while they can copy the AID hash, they have to
make something up for the SDP.
The user gets C2 confirmed after C1. They then reveal tx2 in the mempool,
but before it can be confirmed, the attacker gets C3 confirmed. C3 is a
valid commitment made with knowledge of the pubkey.
Nodes can reject transactions tx1 and tx3. For tx1, they will see that the
SDP doesn't match the data in the transaction, so it's an invalid
commitment. For tx3, they will see that it is valid, but by seeing tx3
they will also be able to determine that C2 is a valid commitment (since
pubkey is revealed in tx3) which came prior to C3, making C2 the only valid
commitment for that AID.
## Implementation
Nodes would keep a new key/value store, similar to the existing UTXO set.
The indexing key would be the AID, and the value would be the set of all
(SDP, CTXID) pairs seen alongside that AID. Every time an commitment is
seen in an OP_RETURN, nodes store the commitment.
When a transaction is seen, nodes observe the pubkey used in the
transaction, and look up if it matches an AID they have stored. If not,
the transaction is dropped. If the AID does match, the node can now "clean
out" an AID entry, eliminating all but the first valid commitment, and
marking that AID as final. If the txid seen matches the remaining
commitment, the transaction is valid; if not, the transaction is dropped.
After the transaction is confirmed the AID entry can be deleted. Deleting
the entries frees up space, and would allow another round to happen with
the same pubkey, which would lead to theft. Retaining the entries takes up
more space on nodes that can't be pruned, and causes pubkey reuse to
destroy coins rather than allow them to be stolen. That's a tradeoff, and
I personally guess it's probably not worth retaining that data but don't
have a strong opinion either way.
Short commitments:
Since we're not trying to defend against collision attacks, I think all 3
hashes can be truncated to 16 bytes. The whole commitment could be 48
bytes long. Without truncation the commitments would be 96 bytes.
## Activation
The activation for the commit/reveal requirement can be triggered by a
proof of quantum computer (PoQC).
A transaction which successfully spends an output using tapscript:
OP_SHA256 OP_CHECKSIG
is a PoQC in the form of a valid bitcoin transaction. In order to satisfy
this script, the spending transaction needs to provide 2 data elements: a
signature, and some data that when hashed results in a pubkey for which
that signature is valid. If such a pair of data elements exists, it means
that either SHA256 preimage resistance is broken (which we're assuming
isn't the case) or someone can create valid signatures for arbitrary
elliptic curve points, ie a cryptographically relevant quantum computer (or
any other process which breaks the security of secp256k1 signatures)
Once such a PoQC has been observed in a confirmed transaction, the
requirements for the 3-hash commitment scheme can be enforced. This is a
soft fork since the transactions themselves look the same, the only
requirement is that some OP_RETURN outputs show up earlier. Nodes which
are not aware of the commitment requirement will still accept all
transactions with the new rules.
Wallets not aware of the new rules, however, are very dangerous, as they
may try to broadcast signed transactions without any commitment. Nodes
that see such a transaction should drop the tx, and if possible tell the
wallet that they are doing something which is now very dangerous! On the
open p2p network this is not really enforceable, but people submitting
transactions to their own node (eg via RPC) can at least get a scary error
message.
## Issues
My hope is that this scheme would give some peace of mind to people holding
bitcoin, that in the face of a sudden QC, even with minimal preparation
their coins can be safe at rest and safely moved. It also suggests some
best practices for users and wallets to adopt, before any software changes:
Don't reuse addresses, and if you have taproot outputs, include some kind
of script path in the outer key.
There are still a number of problems, though!
- Reorgs can steal coins. An attacker that observes a pubkey and can reorg
back to before the commitment can compute the private key, sign a new
transaction and get their commitment in first on the new chain. This seems
unavoidable with commit/reveal schemes, and it's up to the user how long
they wait between confirming the commitment and revealing the transaction.
- How to get op_returns in
If there are no PQ signature schemes activated in bitcoin when this
activates, there's only one type of transaction that can reliably get the
OP_RETURN outputs confirmed: coinbase transactions. Getting commitments to
the miners and paying them out of band is not great, but is possible and we
see this kind of activity today. Users wouldn't need to directly contact
miners: anyone could aggregate commitments, create a large transaction with
many OP_RETURN outputs, and then get a miner to commit to that parent
transaction. Users don't need to worry about committing twice as identical
commitments would be a no op.
- Spam
Anyone can make lots of OP_RETURN commitments which are just random
numbers, forcing nodes to store these commitments in a database. That's
not great, but isn't much different from how bitcoin works today. If it's
really a problem, nodes could requiring the commitment outputs to have a
non-0 amount of bitcoin, imposing a higher cost for the commitments than
other OP_RETURN outputs.
- Multiple inputs
If users have received more than one UTXO to the same address, they will
need to spend all the UTXOs at once. The commitment scheme can deal with
only the first pubkey seen in the serialized transaction.
- Multisig and Lightning Network
If your multisig counterparties have a QC, multisig outputs become 1 of N.
Possibly a more complex commit / reveal scheme could deal with multiple
keys, but the keys would all have to be hashed with counterparties not
knowing each others' unhashed pubkeys. This isn't how existing multisig
outputs work, and in fact the current trend is the opposite with things
like Musig2, FROST and ROAST. If we're going to need to make new signing
software and new output types it might make more sense to go for a PQ
signature scheme.
- Making more p2wpkhs
You don't have to send to a PQ address type with these transactions -- you
can send to p2wpkh and do the whole commit/reveal process again when you
want to spend. This could be helpful if PQ signature schemes are still
being worked on, or if the PQ schemes are more costly to verify and have
high fees in comparison to the old p2wpkh output types. It's possible that
in such a scenario a few high-cost PQ transactions commit to many smaller
EC transactions. If this actually gets adoption though, we might as well
drop the EC signatures and just make output scripts into raw hash /
preimage pairs. It could make sense to cover some non-EC script types with
the same 3-hash commitment requirement to enable this.
## Conclusion
This PQ commit / reveal scheme has similar properties to Tim Ruffing's,
with a smaller commitment that can be done as a soft fork. I hope
something like this could be soft forked with a PoQC activation trigger, so
that if a QC never shows up, none of this code gets executed. And people
who take a couple easy steps like not reusing addresses (which they should
anyway for privacy reasons) don't have to worry about their coins.
Some of these ideas may have been posted before; I know of the Fawkscoin
paper (https://jbonneau.com/doc/BM14-SPW-fawkescoin.pdf) and the recent
discussion which linked to Ruffing's proposal. Here I've tried to show how
it could be done in a soft fork which doesn't look too bad to implement.
I've also heard of some more complex schemes involving zero knowledge
proofs, proving things like BIP32 derivations, but I think this gives some
pretty good properties without needing anything other than good old SHA256.
Hope this is useful & wonder if people think something like this would be a
good idea.
-Tadge
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