From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33FAC0001 for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 21:41:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC934053E for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 21:41:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=web.de Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BTUnbeC4tSAg for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 21:41:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: domain auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [217.72.192.78]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B34E40542 for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 21:41:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1621028484; bh=xa5IDVKDXiRBqLOsm3sLOG1LWh2QnkIn0J6fcHYTmQU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:To:From:Subject:Date; b=X2EAma687Wv74LmOHu1NedOQRjuFZEi1ozEprQQ3LhL4K9DEszOxcDUQF8J//ZRdx OtPC6r6pbMTEyqLyXEaL508bTPrmupPEW9ajS9ggAbmgonW2uvv5DqSi+n88lFvNd7 aqTKxqN9ArY5sM/korWBeSeDNo27YGkt6GW6/Q2k= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from [192.168.51.22] ([146.52.11.244]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MV2Ka-1m6JBy2uN4-00S3Zn for ; Fri, 14 May 2021 23:41:24 +0200 To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org From: Michael Fuhrmann Message-ID: Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 23:41:23 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:YZOd1vXMV8DEjOHSwEpGbdOk7ePCMMHFZMX3FdFx8OqJxEq5OCE euDp4k0BDaxCpJSiERtxvGPVKVfRuiOGTt6PH81SawMcr36zXrqYwlAVuBiDry6riNxMgRw 9C2r+BNJqEZ18akFXjfvDvJ86mqOq6F6RLTD2ZRh1H8kKEwyeHfZ5Yh1l+kkXNRcbU+Znlq qb4so2BB3vg14VHxMlEzA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LIaSEAQferM=:mLaHcIYw6xPaeBNgjFlJuD hGaT1OVTD5vw54IDk0eYBITFHXfH2os3kCGKH5s9eTLMUK84Wp1c8fy6qYhPfAyczceikWOgv 1wJxpYyp2vQoOdnnBot7MY4PlIN/ogNTikVZd/0KtGbd9dYVt1edH/3xU7cNEZvqNk196+t/p TdxafWLnaKpz1X+BVWP6xtHlyTlT7H80Wvpr4nQkrXmIxkWvOL0kRSLwTJdLR0W5xM3xS3+UF Vr6d/4hVKha3Y4mmPvMwWR1lw9tZRHKIuWAVcCB+u3kyT8MuNH5f4dGjJnKi/trA2ZKYvhjpK 2YRDm5EHUrFqfijOZNOlS1/zvKKGaiEjOPKVXsKr+qJWPYHWMQw6kbE/OD8qf1aNCxgcPgp5C KTu6Ci0CIJWIcSRVwrbaDaFEZNtJrVdhOxWL9PjKdGpNQU6hiABWDyv7F7KAvMnzhtIg4HJXp GSnEuD/J4SnJbL+/ETBtSzmBUymBoHc+xzwviTmc+8Gb53f5q1DSm3qdkvP+Ob1IteHEO3yJB V+UGjrHhf1//MiHzFUO5A4BoYxYuZyaLb48Pv8BX23g+PBMKizEfz1MjjhIUGytYClNkkqcXR siR0trxiY6mLasaXwN42g0dMd/JTxYodZQhyp1bTA/AC8fs8gUkNYJiIkNCB0YZiouCvqfnWq 8zziWIz8Boj0S61c/ooi441M+Tiy6mRlUQNGym2dqYRP4WPxB1xCtndp88KVAF4pXrbPs2+K0 t+1j1josPcKFVCL9x8durDOuY2JQF4I6i4t52mKoW0NAnKE3OozWz7xk6kiOK+tFzjIG4VTQ5 24sx1vEP/ysA5KpTMuzppp3lvvWPzleSpLalyVoZ6T8m9auuOX2CrySQQF4KMtd4yWaYRUV9X qC7C7qzjRWkqp0Glv01LFzvZeaa9ZGicHVFAJW8gxFbWQFUwwvO2Jcy8goKhYGMU6+NOjMMr6 yistf4XFF6Z/FKsSj9gF+e+7p8UBQYw9O/LX6433FnZmVHI24cayWsXhCV8IytEAtFhe+WDFk 8MnrxI/X3o+Uwo7T7cKnQ4q1/VfoUQIHdqvKFoEbpHqCW+xBo1eVczT4VAE10S/O1dGmPq6iL PcbNNhUfWnGtD/C56Y8n/cjtgjDxhTKKnss5zX9Mn6ifppD+4fNOsRAAaDkiwVebRS9AFS8LT ax4NbL/ZYhwVf9diYpva5PRALIgsR9Y/ZkSnf/U0+046GcWmaDLl3BPUpu2azjBFWglO4= X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 15 May 2021 21:57:05 +0000 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Proposal: Force to do nothing for first 9 minutes to save 90% of mining energy X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 May 2021 21:41:28 -0000 Hello, Bitcoin should create blocks every 10 minutes in average. So why do miners need to mine the 9 minutes after the last block was found? It's not necessary. Problem: How to prevent "pre-mining" in the 9 minutes time window? Possible ideas for discussion: - (maybe most difficult) global network timer sending a salted hash time code after 9 minutes. this enables validation by nodes. - (easy attempt) mining jobs before 9 minutes have a 10 (or 100 or just high enough) times higher difficulty. so everyone can mine any time but before to 9 minutes are up there will be a too high downside. It is more efficient to wait then paying high bills. The bitcoin will get a "puls". I dont think I see all problems behind these ideas but if there is a working solution to do so then the energy fud will find it's end. Saving energy without loosing rosbustness. :)