[bitcoindev] Workshops and Activation for CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and CHECKSIGFROMSTACK

[bitcoindev] Workshops and Activation for CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and CHECKSIGFROMSTACK

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Hi everyone,

IRC channel: #ctv-csfs-activation on libera.chat

I [requested][0] the economic nodes to review different soft fork proposals
and share their opinion on 5 March 2025. Four entries were added to the
[wiki][1] and nobody has any objections to the proposals. Some
organizations do not want to publicly participate in this process to avoid
politics and drama.

A [letter][2] was signed on 9 June 2025 by bitcoin developers to get more
core contributors involved in the review process. It was followed by a
[proposal][3] that makes a few changes to CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and combines
it with CHECKSIGFROMSTACK. Personally, I don't like that TEMPLATEHASH is
restricted to taproot and don't see anything wrong with
CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY. However, other developers may disagree with me and
have different opinion. I have created an IRC channel for workshops,
meetings, activation, etc.

We can finalize a meeting schedule so we can use the IRC channel to move
closer to covenants activation on bitcoin.

I think BIP 8 would be a better option for the next soft fork.
[Previously][4], some suggestions were [rejected][5] because knots was not
used by a large number of users. However, things have changed since then
and [~15%][6] of nodes use knots for bitcoin.

[0]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/kd8g8V1NVOY/m/nE2y5V66AQAJ
[1]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
[2]: https://ctv-csfs.com/
[3]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/5wLThgegha4/m/iUWIZPIaCAAJ
[4]:
https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAFvNmHS4s_MbXP8o3kWmaUZ5Xks1b76jSDymp1Bjr--4R8_v3Q@mail.gmail.com/
[5]:
https://diyhpl.us/cgit/pi-bitcoindev/plain/cc/877bbc8de83e7aa4d2252a0473d05d634946b4/dev/fd0
[6]: https://bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=knots#network-snapshot

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[bitcoindev] Re: Workshops and Activation for CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and CHECKSIGFROMSTACK

[Antoine Riard]

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Hi Floppy,

The call to review CTV has been published Jun. 9.

On this letter, I can count ~60 names.

Since the time of publication (2 months after), only 5 people have put a 
code review comment on #31989.

Among the 5 people, only 2 were letter signatories (average-gary + stuxto).

Why the 58 other names on the letter have not spent _their_ _free_ time 
reviewing more CTV code ?

...

Now, of course anyone is free to patch CTV on top of knot and go to try the 
activation run with that.

Personally, I still think we should aim for more neutral consensus 
development process...

This was the intent with the bitcoin contracting primitives WG, done on an 
open IRC chan.

https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin-contracting-primitives-wg (can transfer 
you the repo ownership if you wish so)

Where rather to present a primitive proposal as a "done deal" from a "pow 
wow" of experts,
the goal was to create a neutral online forum for discussion open to anyone 
in the world
who self-estimate they qualify as an expert on bitcoin consensus...and 
humbly trying to
do better than the mess of the 2015 - 2017 period w.r.t consensus changes.

Best,
Antoine
OTS hash: 0d3c23682b630c9c85288ece8e1acae2f4a3c76254e16e36ccb6ca0fcef2556b

Le lundi 18 août 2025 à 15:43:54 UTC+1, /dev /fd0 a écrit :

> Hi everyone,
>
> IRC channel: #ctv-csfs-activation on libera.chat
>
> I [requested][0] the economic nodes to review different soft fork 
> proposals and share their opinion on 5 March 2025. Four entries were added 
> to the [wiki][1] and nobody has any objections to the proposals. Some 
> organizations do not want to publicly participate in this process to avoid 
> politics and drama.
>
> A [letter][2] was signed on 9 June 2025 by bitcoin developers to get more 
> core contributors involved in the review process. It was followed by a 
> [proposal][3] that makes a few changes to CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY and combines 
> it with CHECKSIGFROMSTACK. Personally, I don't like that TEMPLATEHASH is 
> restricted to taproot and don't see anything wrong with 
> CHECKTEMPLATEVERIFY. However, other developers may disagree with me and 
> have different opinion. I have created an IRC channel for workshops, 
> meetings, activation, etc. 
>
> We can finalize a meeting schedule so we can use the IRC channel to move 
> closer to covenants activation on bitcoin.
>
> I think BIP 8 would be a better option for the next soft fork. 
> [Previously][4], some suggestions were [rejected][5] because knots was not 
> used by a large number of users. However, things have changed since then 
> and [~15%][6] of nodes use knots for bitcoin.
>
> [0]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/kd8g8V1NVOY/m/nE2y5V66AQAJ
> [1]: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Covenants_support
> [2]: https://ctv-csfs.com/
> [3]: https://groups.google.com/g/bitcoindev/c/5wLThgegha4/m/iUWIZPIaCAAJ
> [4]: 
> https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAFvNmHS4s_MbXP8o3kWmaUZ5...@mail.gmail.com/ 
> <https://gnusha.org/pi/bitcoindev/CAFvNmHS4s_MbXP8o3kWmaUZ5Xks1b76jSDymp1Bjr--4R8_v3Q@mail.gmail.com/>
> [5]: 
> https://diyhpl.us/cgit/pi-bitcoindev/plain/cc/877bbc8de83e7aa4d2252a0473d05d634946b4/dev/fd0
> [6]: https://bitnodes.io/nodes/?q=knots#network-snapshot
>
> /dev/fd0
> floppy disk guy
>

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