From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.194] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WYBMG-0000Gi-GO for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:33:20 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of petertodd.org designates 62.13.148.93 as permitted sender) client-ip=62.13.148.93; envelope-from=pete@petertodd.org; helo=outmail148093.authsmtp.net; Received: from outmail148093.authsmtp.net ([62.13.148.93]) by sog-mx-4.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) id 1WYBMF-00037M-AE for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:33:20 +0000 Received: from mail-c235.authsmtp.com (mail-c235.authsmtp.com [62.13.128.235]) by punt14.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id s3A9XBbg013474; Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:33:11 +0100 (BST) Received: from [25.121.248.92] ([24.114.49.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.authsmtp.com (8.14.2/8.14.2/) with ESMTP id s3A9X7OA098183 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 10 Apr 2014 10:33:09 +0100 (BST) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: <53456B99.9010207@monetize.io> <00b77560-d7ed-4ed4-a4e5-eb1f00467a06@email.android.com> <0509477C-89F9-47C7-8820-29ACAD4A4A8E@bitsofproof.com> <534592E2.7040800@gmail.com> <5345986C.3040901@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: Peter Todd Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 05:33:03 -0400 To: Mike Hearn , Wladimir Message-ID: X-Server-Quench: 210d7462-c093-11e3-b802-002590a15da7 X-AuthReport-Spam: If SPAM / abuse - report it at: http://www.authsmtp.com/abuse X-AuthRoute: OCd2Yg0TA1ZNQRgX IjsJECJaVQIpKltL GxAVKBZePFsRUQkR aQdMdwIUGUUGAgsB AmIbWlReU157WWo7 aQ5PbARZfE5HQQRu T0xPR01TWkZrcBVp AWFvUhB6dg1FNn92 bU5qEHJaXBB9cUB/ Xx1UHG4bZGY1a31N WEBaagNUcgZDfk5E bwQuUz1vNG8XDQg5 AwQ0PjZ0MThBJSBS WgQAK04nCWwKAjU7 RhYOWDQpWEcMTCY8 NRs7LFJUGUEdPw08 NkFpYmomUgAbDglT A1ol X-Authentic-SMTP: 61633532353630.1023:706 X-AuthFastPath: 0 (Was 255) X-AuthSMTP-Origin: 24.114.49.14/465 X-AuthVirus-Status: No virus detected - but ensure you scan with your own anti-virus system. X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Headers-End: 1WYBMF-00037M-AE Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Bitcoind-in-background mode for SPV wallets X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2014 09:33:20 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 But we >have >to be realistic. Desktop tower machines that are always on are dying >and >will not be coming back. Not a single person I know uses them anymore, >they >have been wiped out in favour of laptops. This is why, given the tiny >size >of the bitcoin core development team, I do not think it makes sense to >spend precious coding hours chasing this goal. Your social group is weird. Nearly every coworker at my previous job had a tower computer at work and at home. Equally in my nontechnical social group lots of people, a significant minority if not majority, have Apple and PC desktops hooked up to large monitors at home for media production and games. Those who don't more often than not have laptops used as desktops, sitting in one place 95% of the time and left on. People have found it most efficient to work at a static desk for centuries - that's not going away. Of course we're seeing desktop usage and sales falling, but that's only because previously the mobile usage was forced into suboptimal options by technical realities. The trend will bottom out a long way from zero. Besides, even if just 1% of bitcoin users had a machine they left on that could usefully contribute to the network it would still vastly outweigh the much smaller percentage who would run nodes on expensive hosted capacity out of the goodness of their hearts. If we educated users about the privacy advantages of full nodes and gave them software that automatically contributed back within defined limits we'd have tens of thousands more useful nodes in the exact same way that user friendly filesharing software has lead to millions of users contributing bandwidth to filesharing networks. Similarly take advantage of the fault tolerance inherent in what we're doing and ensure that our software can shrug off nodes with a few % of downtime - certainly possible. Of course, this doesn't fit in the business plans of those who might want to run full nodes to data mine and deanonymize users for marketing, tax collection, and law enforcement - one of the few profitable things to do with a full node - but screw those people. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQFQBAEBCgA6BQJTRmVPMxxQZXRlciBUb2RkIChsb3cgc2VjdXJpdHkga2V5KSA8 cGV0ZUBwZXRlcnRvZGQub3JnPgAKCRAZnIM7qOfwhYb9B/0QWgQusFrQoPfYIzig vpeo9sQgHAfA3gPYdqDLTtlaTgt8w3oP+/N46+Pi3lEphhCusXstzAFxi6c0XXsk s96l9MqrUCZu55oEj1wZP0LJQx1uyUdevFv9bmocG5+94jBvGIoy3JZ3iQg+nNjL uE9FpTnL43VOZ0WI9g6pXIE6XX6CxTx56tcxla4LTTypA1DijXa9MyYGOfYxXdPJ w7jiRKl6Ijb3twP8+pX07GSIlL9yP7bESydnwyzwEo/RxAJxPmUpLuxluQ5DKTNY G9TtwCpT+c6g5nXOxkI31XRcDuzhT+2kEhiDA6Neu2YNGrnyQx2WL6XuZNhi8nKB IOMm =rwGV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----